EVE General Discussion

It is of course literally unthinkable that people would fly with friends instead of being "forced" to open more accounts.

HAHA If I read this correctly only the aggressor gets the timer. The guy you stole from does not have a timer and has no idea how much time is left before the timer expires. SO grief away delay talk crap kill time then drop it after the timer expires. He will want his stuff back! And will assume that he can get it back free without causing a crime. The game mechanics on aggression is the least understood mechanic in the game. Just look at low sec aggression. This can stealing will still work just takes a bit more time to pull off.

Am i the only one that read the long thread and came to the conclusion that a thief can 'can flip' and become a suspect to the whole of EVE, but then the original can owner can then retake the ore back without being shot?

(either because the can belongs to a suspect and is fair game, or because he was the original owner of the can, or because they are in a LE...ohjeez, new things to learn :/ )

This is basically the problematic part that is called by people around. However, some believe that there are other options of how things will arrange themselves. One option is that people will congregate into hisec PvP corps ready to bring fleets with scouts, logi, EWAR and whatnot. It appears that it is encouraged these days anyways, and such coprs already exist, quite a lot of them.

Another option would be going into low. We don't know what will happen if lowsec people will be allowed into hisec. They probably will consider it hoping for some more pew. If this will happen, some people will go into low to harvest some goods there (ajustment may be needed, but you got the idea) as maybe entry systems will see a bit less trigger-happy people hanging around.

However, hisec PvP will only be less frowned upon if OOC logi and hideout OOC Orcas will go away. AFAIK logi will be considered valid combatants in CW2 (will they?), not sure about Orcas allowing timer-held ships to board them, then dock (same with carriers in lowsec, it's no better). IMO ships with ship hangar should inherit timers of those ships they accept on board (add warning message for Orca pilot when someone with a timer tries to dock in his Orca, with an option to accept (or not) such requests by default).

For those who prefered solo in hisec, CCP promised some sort of new mech to start a fight with another ship without aggroing entire Empire. I hope that this mech will still have provocative element in it the way canflipping or ninja-looting had, because something like duel mech will cause massive uproar within community. Seriously, I don't see how it is fitting to EVE.

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You're basing this theory that Highsec PvP will become less common on the 'Risk averse' nature of players, which isn't at all the fault of CCP. If players suddenly don't want to PvP in Highsec because it is too hard, then the fault is with them, not CCP, in providing for more or less PvP in Highsec.

Besides, they'll figure out a way to game the system eventually anyhow.

First example I can see occurring: Dropping a can that says 1v1 outside a station and waiting for someone to pick it up and get shot at by everybody. Somebody is bound to fall for it.

Also, this:

Not sure where the outlaw comes in as it isn't mentioned in the Devblog aside from that bit, but the ability to create and spawn limited engagements seems very likely to be gamed to create a lot of individual aggression timers where you can attack the players involved without further consequence if you happen to be B.

Get enough people doing that, and you could create your very own little Highsec Station War when you fleet up after you've gained aggression and undock into the lot of them. You know how people like to just sit on stations and shoot free targets right? Well, that's it.

Below -5 sec status. They can be legally shot at in High sec space, but shooting them creates an LE situation where they can shoot back to defend themselves.

And how is grieving noobs either PVP or good for the game??

Tricking noobs into letting you pop them is the type of behavior that has gotten ganking a bad name. Ganking a veteran miner who choose to fit for max yield instead of fitting a tank is one thing. Grieving a new player driving them away from the game is not acceptable behavior in any MMO.

MMO games rely on a strong community to survive and grow. Bringing in new players in one of the most important parts of keeping the community strong.

If I lived in your neighborhood and beat the hell out of you every time you stepped out your front door, for no reason other than you where new to the neighborhood, what kind of person would that make me? Certainly not an acceptable member of the community.

Just because it is a virtual world does not make such behavior acceptable. New players need to be encouraged to learn the game, not be grieved into quitting.

If you participate in such behavior, You my friend are nothing but a waste of space.

True, but new player rarely stick to the starter systems very long. And only new player are naive enough to fall for can flipping baiters. So if you are one of those player who get off on grieving new players. Than you are part of what is wrong with MMO's and you presence is nothing but a waste of space.

Station Games in front of trade hubs will most likely die a horrible death for the most part. Huzzah!!!!

Station games near quiet high sec systems will carry on.

I am perfectly ok with this.

Can flipping was always based on exploiting someones inability to make a good decision, not empowering the choice they had in the first place. Don't touch the can.


What you are all neglecting in this discussion, which is probably the more relevant one is the idea of a "Criminal Switch" That denies players to do certain actions that will activate certain flags.

Will that kill can flipping more than anything else? Yes.