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This is a bad idea. Example: I am in a fleet with logi and none of the fleet is -5. A single pirate attacks one member of the fleet, which requires the logi to rep that person. However, by repping that person the logi is suspect flagged so the logi starts taking gate guns and can be freely engaged by the rest of the pirate gang without them getting the suspect flag and getting gate guns? That is not cool.

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Have fun guys.

It was fun while it lasted.

There is no LE going on in your example, as far as I can tell. The first pirate will get an S flag on attacking. (Assuming this is lowsec. In 0.0 nothing happens and in high he'll get concorded.) However your friend gets no flags* and the logi can freely rep him. Moreover, your entire fleet can now attack the aggressing pirate without repercussions, as he is a suspect.

* He will get a PvP (aka logoff) flag, however that has nothing to do with gateguns.

I agree with not being able to pop out of your t3 just cause you got in a fight that went badly for you (though with the coming T3 nerf it'll probably be necessary to re-evaluate the SP loss if they're going to take such a hit as has been hinted at), but the main thing that I'm concerned about is what Zagdul brought up:

Eliminating the ability to ghostride with caps/supers. It's already a high risk, high player-skill intensive thing to do. Getting rid of the ability to do it just kind of kills some of the more creative combat situations that have come from it. Honestly, I would rather have t3s still able to eject if it meant keeping this neat bit of player creativity- after all, they can't store their t3 in a neutral orca anymore so there's still going to be a good loss coming to them.

My reply was succinct and accurate. Use the right tool for the job, rather than fitting the job to the tool. Your inability to use a ship and fittings appropriate to what you're fighting is no reason to hold back this much requested, and appropriate, AI update.

Maybe learn to play? Learn to change how you play? Change your ship and fittings to meet the changing environment? Or would you rather the universe stays static so that you don't have to think or do any work

So sorry you might have to make a trade-off on your Perfect Ship & Fittings (PSF) because the developers would like to improve the game and improve some of the content so that it is more interactive.

I think CCP means a sufficiently LOW secstatus will cause you to be fired upon. That is if you had 0.0 secstatus before - destroying a single illegal ship probably will NOT result in a low enough secstatus for you to be fired upon by sentry guns.

Thus secstatus will continue to mean something (if not much) if you repeatedly fire upon illegal ship targets in low sec without doing good deeds in between (ratting/tag turn in etc).

But thanks for complaining that you can't incorporate sentry guns into the force defending your standing gate camp from in system ambushers. Simply flying away and then back won't make them like habitual suspects.

This is going to reduce income across the board, not just in hisec. Sorry.

HAHA there goes a FW farmer & his alts

@ CCP Masterplan

In regards to the T3 SP loss situation, could you care to comment on the thinking and on the possibility (or downsides) of a solution to that change in mechanics. I made a short remark on it earlier but it was kind of buried in a different post.

Right now, you list “Weapons”-flagging as causing a 60-second inability to dock, jump, abandon ship (by ejecting or storing the ship), and board ships (be it in space or from a corp hangar) unless it's done from a capsule. This is to remove the whole “ship-swapping to avoid destruction”, I presume, and the capsule exception is hidden behind the rule that makes it impossible to enter a capsule without being destroyed?

What if you adjusted the weapons-flagging rules so that:
· It does not have that capsule exception: in other words, you cannot board ships while you have a weapons flag, period.
· You are allowed to eject from (but not store) a ship while weapon-flagged.
· Ejecting resets your weapon flag timer to the full 60 seconds.
· Getting blown up clears your weapon flag timer to 0.

As far as I can see, this would maintain the ban on ship-swapping: you can't swap ships mid-battle — yes, you can eject, but it will take 60 seconds for your weapons flag to clear out, and before that, you're not allowed to board a new ship. Have fun orbiting ye olde Orca in a pod for a minute while everyone around you is allowed to shoot you. If you are destroyed, you can board a new ship… but then, that was possible under the suggested rule set as well and you have to lose a ship to get there, so this is no different than what you're proposing. If you are destroyed, you can also (almost) immediately jump through a gate or dock up, but those are still restricted by the session timer that triggers on destruction so the exploitation potential from those (re)added abilities should be minimal. Finally, this means you once again can get out of your T3 to save your SP, but you have all the weapons-flag restrictions for the next 60 seconds so the only possible thing to do is warp off and hope for the best.

Is there anything I've missed in this that would go against what your goals are? Are there any obvious loop-holes?

-->Means harsher rules for criminals and less fun in the end. For example, "Security-status penalties are now ‘front-loaded’, so a criminal/suspect will incur the full penalty when an illegal attack starts, not when (if) the target is destroyed. "

Means less time in low sec having fun killing peeps for those who dont want to go a full -10. Less time = less fun.


example 2," Weapons Flag: This flag is activated by using offensive modules against another player (or simply by activating certain non-targeted weapons such as smartbombs). Having this flag will prevent a character from performing actions such as jumping, docking and switching ships in space. This flag functions in all areas of space."

->Means we cant jump back through another low sec gate to disrupt the guy your trying to lock down. So less freedom to move around and PVP in low sec means less fun.

This is a step backwards for those who like small gang fun as blob warfare in null can be boring and less challenging unless you are the FC. So all we have left for decent pvp fun is low sec and worm holes.

Also, it sounds like we wont be able to 1v1 for a while.... " We're also working on a replacement for the usage of loot-theft as a way to initiate consensual 1v1s without incurring criminal penalties that we hope to release for Winter."

This means less fun in possible high sec pvp as well. Not allowing criminals to steal cans without aggroing everyone in the game means harsher punishments for criminals and therefore less fun and less of a chance to be bad and get away with it. Makes me wonder if someones mom wrote these new rules...