EVE General Discussion

Not blind hatred, sure ganking a freighter full of doodoo is one thing but to blanket target miners because as we all know every single mining barge is a bot is stupidity, there's this obsession with hating miners its the reason CCP had to intervene and buff the ships why is it we should all fly around a$$ grabbing each other all the time around every corner is beyond me, i mean if blowing up everything in sight is all that you want there's 0.0 and dull sec, low sec, WH, FW, all the a$$ grabbing you want empire is only a small part of eve...WTF more do you want.

Also if you mine aligned. This is even better actually because then you can fit for yield.

You are exactly the kind of village idiot who we love. CCP changed the barges to give them all a role to play, the skiff got the tank job but because the mack has a tank that makes it unprofitable to kill the skiff is simply not needed. This is a problem CCP wanted to fix.

I would also like to see these mass unsubs given that over the past year EVE has returned to steady growth. I also find it rather funny that you require CCP to hold your hand and tell you that a ship should be fitted with a tank for protection.

I was referring to this oft repeated "tank your barge" and this belief that you do miners "a favour" by being a moron.

And for CCP to hold my hand - it was never asked for - it is a MINING BARGE - any tank fitted was so it could be used AS A MINING BARGE. NO tank is or ever was big enough to stop ganks. The tank stops rats. A completely different purpose.

Besides, the converse is actually true that CCP could be kicking your ass is the same thing, just from my side of the fence. We differ only by choice of playstyle.

The miner is and always has been the victim. You guys just repeatedly defend your moronic playstyle as a neccessity to justify it.

Why do you even bother if you are so right?

Said it before baltec and I'll say it again. Ganking is fun. Stop trying to justify it with bla bla about economics, charitable sacrifice to the Eve community bla bla. Call it for the fun it is and have done with it.

I'm fascinated with this wannabe manipulation of the Eve economy and yet now it seems it's not "economical" to do a gank. duh....

There IS a way baltec. Buy ALL the minerals on the market and KILL ALL the miners. Now sell all the minerals. PROFIT.

Oh. You can't? Too hard? Want CCP to hold YOUR hand. Or maybe 10,000 of yer mates?

So shutup already and stop playing MinerCop.

MinerMan does it hard. He does it solo.

Deal with it.

I played at MinerMan during the loot drop days. Never bothered me. Never complained.

And the MINOR changes CCP have made to benefit miners specifically could be counted on one hand. The significant benefits to everyone else in game (FW, Incursions, sovereignty, PI, supers) etc. has been ongoing.

All have plusses (for the users), all have negatives (for the non-users).

Game gotta evolve for EVERYONE.

In fact, why is it even neccessary to bash an individuals playstyle because it doesn't suit you? What gives with that?

Look to enhance and enjoy what YOU do. If the topic is the economies about ganking, then learn to adapt your play and make it happen "economically" or do something else. (although it's perverse to think you should be able to make money blowing up a miner if you haven't got a way to make it profitable - like Goons did - albeit temporarily - during Icegate).

Maybe you can ask to make all miners tank Officer fit if they beyond 20m SP. You know, pick some arbitrary number that benefits you and roll with it.

MinerMan complain you blow him up. You complain you can't and you waz even given nice shiney toys to do it.

MinerMan STILL miining. Who adapted?

-Step 1: *Adapt* just like I had to when fighting the 'Mineralz iz free!' crowd in manufacturing. If all us evil mission runners were dumping minerals so damn cheap -> Step 2: do a little research to figure out where they're being dumped, put up buy orders and snag all those evil, cheap minerals. You won't get your mining ship ganked while sitting in a station either ( until my idea of having 'terrorists' blow up mining ships in the hanger is implemented anyway... ).

As for reprocessed loot: Minerals go in, we take 'em out. Pick up any BP and you see how much goes in. Depending on a couple skills, you get a certain percentage back out again. Then look at step #2 up there and think 'Crap loot drops'. Or let the mission runner take the refining hit and see Step #2 when it applied to minerals.

As for drone poo - I don't remember a lot of HiSec 'roids that dropped those minerals. Those were mostly Null or W-Space. You remember like Mittens said about W-Space opening up right into Jita so worm holer's could just hop right out in Jita and sell freighters full of that stuff ... *snicker*

Well well well.

Firstly, tanking your barge to the point where you are not profitable to gank is a very viable tactic. If it wasnt then why are all of these untanked macks in 0.7 belts going untouched?

Secondly our "evil ganking" wiped out the bot armies in high sec and resulted in ice prices shooting up to three time more profitable than before our campain and stayed there. Its a fact that this happened and it was good for miners who took the very simple steps to protect themselves.

Thirdly, the skiff is designed to be the barge to protect yourself from ganks but because the mack can do this untanked the skiff is pointless to fly. CCP changed the barges to stop a single ship (the hulk) from being king of mining so its only right they alter the mack to stop it from doing the skiffs job.

And lastly, your genious idea of buying all minerals and killing all miners would cost more than the net worth of ALL 0.0 powerblocks. If you stopped to think about it for even a split seconds you would realise the impossibility of buying trillions of isk worth of trit alone.

Miners such as yourself are shooting yourselves in the foot while stabbing yourselves repeatedy in the back and destroying all the good things that have happened to you over the last 9 months. Ice is only the first to tank in price, the other minerals are going to follow at a slow but gradual pace and once again miner income will pathetic. I will end up gaining from that with cheaper POS fuel, ships and mods as well as ganking other things such as poorly tanked haulers and bling mission runners. You however will once again be relegated to bottom feeder status as miners once again become the $1 a week worker.

I don't suppose it has occurred to anybody that all the ganking in recent months, long forum blogs about miners and the willful destruction of their ships, and all that other stuff actually helped bring attention to the issue, and raised the average miners bile enough for them to bother coming here and posting how they felt.

That last bit is the important part btw.

Aside from that, I never read the OP, but I do have to say this.

Miners > Production and Manufacturing > Ships and modules > Pilots in Space

Its ok, more kamikze you bring to asteroid belts, more you pay for minerals and ships, dont be a fool, harder to get minerals more they cost, at last people stop seling minerals cheap, miners never stop mining even they die everyday, they never give up.

All those heaters who hulkadegon them lose this war agains miners, not because mining change, just because miners are immortal, and they buy new hulks even they cost like 500mil each, because is like one day incomes per pro miner who mining with alt or fleet, rest oncomes are pure profit after investment.

This is good for miners how?