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Good point there :D

I can't hit you in SC or Titan but you wanna hit me, huh? FAIR ENOUGH ! I'll eject and bump you to death !

Truthfully i would not have a problem whit that. But it would be game braking. Since its only logical that Super Capitals cant damage sub capitals and sub capitals can damage super capitals.

Whatever the change it end result must be: STOP THE SUPER CAPITAL BLOB

The same points being brought up by the same people, a reflection of the way they play the game.

I agree with the major points, stop the blobs and keep the supercaps able to defend themselves.

One way forward, possibly the best way forward would have been to reduce the ehp even more and keep the rest of their current capability. Keeping their build/cost requirements as they are but reducing the ehp to say around 20-30% would make them much easier to take down and also a risk that would have to be considered. This change coupled with the logoff timer change being introduced would perhaps be a better step. Yeah they may be many more factors to consider with balancing, logistics restrictions etc but they should be great ships at that price, but also able to be destroyed.

The current changes will make them suck too much. I would rather they have their current capability and a massive reduction in ehp whilst retaining their price.

Reducing EHP only leads to bigger blobs cause supers need more protection from the support fleet. Today we come in 200, tomorrow we come with 400. We don't want that, do we?

Something along the lines of this is possibly what needs to happen.

Consider this hypothetical situation; 100 subcaps vs 100 supercarriers (not specifying the subcap ships, lets say they are mixed bs) The supercarriers SHOULD win, but at the cost of maybe 2 or 3 supercarriers. But they should still be able to hit the bs and win. Obvioulsy the cost of losing 2 or 3 supercarriers far outweighs the cost of 100 bs, so this would be a trade off (financially).

But this should be able to happen, this is the direction the balancing should go, not completely taking away their ability to hit anything below capital.

What about : STOP THE SUB CAPITAL BLOB ?

Can anyone confirm that the new T2 Modules are actualy T2 Capital Modules?

OK, but in my previous post I said some logistic restictions should maybe be considered.

My post meant make it so 100bs would be defeated by 100 supercarriers at the cost of 2 or 3 supercarriers, so the balancing would come by whatever means necessary to make this possible. My idea is only the concept that 100bs should still lose the battle but the cost would be much greater to the team that brought the 100 supercarriers and lost a few of those ships.

They should be similar (by whatever means possible) to pirate faction bs and their counterparts; by that i mean better than carriers, i.e as they are now, but not much harder to kill (as they are now) at the same time costing a hell of alot more isk.

Not by all that much, 100 fleet BS @ ~200 mill each cost about the same as a well fitted supercarrier.

What is not being said here is the real problem with the proliferation of SC and Titans.

It is the macro miners and the massive proliferation of minerals on the markets.

I remember when We (ASCN) in a race with BoB had to work as a massive team to build Cyvok's Titan. The concept of procuring 100 Billion in Minerals and another 150Billion in BPO's was nearly unimaginable. Dozens of people mining in various groups pre-hulk etc etc took weeks to accumulate the minerals required. We beat BoB by getting the titan out of the oven before them by about 18 hours. (we also beat bob by having the first titan killed by a few weeks.(HI MOLLE :)

What I am getting at is hulks and all the stations in 0.0 has made minerals easy to come by. Rorquals compressing ore and shipping it to empire to be refined has led to me being able to buy a titans worth of minerals in 20 minutes. I can then contract red frog to haul it all to a rail gun builder. Then I get Black Frog to jump it to my low sec jumpout station. The in just a few JF jumps I can have it in my cyno jammed CSAA building comps and titans. I don't mean to brag but I have built over 2 dozen titans virtually by myself and about 100 MS.

It is the bots and the zydrine drones that have allowed me to build a titan every 15 days by myself and my army of alt cap builders.

If the hulks were not inserted into the game. If the Freighters had not been inserted, If jump freighters had not been inserted. If, if, if........... We would not be suffering from an plethora if Super capital Ships.

What about the wealth created by the complete imbalance of high end moon distribution. If CCP had not provided many allainces with a blank cheque every month they would not be so easily able to by the mins in Jita.

I own several very valuable BPO's which allows me to earn passive isk at a tremdous rate. This has allowed me to accumulate wealth that was reserved for only the richest of allainces a mere 5 years ago.

So should we take those other things out of the game to?

Many things have contributed to the amount of Super Caps in game. But crippling them is not the answer. The whole process needs to be reviewed. Knee jerk reactions to the whinging of special interest groups has never and will never work.

If something is too strong, build something stronger to kill it.

I do like several things in this nerf. But dislike and disagree with several more.

1) Log off timer. Capital and Supercapital Log off timers should be increased to 30 minutes - not the potential dt to dt timer that it it could be with the proposed changes. I mean some people legitimately DIsCo. Should they loose an 80b isk ship because they DisCo'd.
2) EW immune ships should be completely immune. No boosting etc.
3) Titans AOE should be reinstated with diminishing capacity.(scripted etc)
4) Dreads shoud be buffed in HP and EHP more then they are now.
5) New ships - Titan Killers - should be introduced.


If these things were introduced I strongly believe that that would be plently of balance. One of the problems with CCP in my opinion is that they react by over reacting.

Introduce things slowly and see if that helps. If not cut a bit more and a bit more until it does help. If I have cancer in my foot CCP would amputate my whole leg with their current mindset.