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Death2all Supercaps
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#2201 - 2011-10-16 12:36:34 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Manfred Sideous wrote:

Are you trying to say you can manage a 45000 member coalition. Get 2 people from your own alliance elected to the CSM. However your entire group can muster to produce a supercapital force? CFC milks 60+ tech moons alone not counting other R64's. I would think that you are mismanaging your isk as alliances or spending it unwisely. Don't be hatin because you made bad strategic decisions.


The thing that you don't seem to get is that it's possible to have a large supercap fleet and still think that supercaps are **** and need to be fixed. I've built (as just one of several builders in GSF) a tremendous number of titans and supercarriers in the last 12 months, but fact still remains that supercarriers are hilariously badly implemented right now.



trust him hes a doctor!


Midnight Firestarter
Anger Management
#2202 - 2011-10-16 12:45:25 UTC
Goons want a Super nerf because they don't have that many = Devs want Super Nerf.
Xue Slick
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2203 - 2011-10-16 13:02:36 UTC
Midnight Firestarter wrote:
Goons want a Super nerf because they don't have that many = Devs want Super Nerf.


What?
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#2204 - 2011-10-16 13:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Midnight Firestarter wrote:
Goons want a Super nerf because they don't have that many = Devs want Super Nerf.


I'm sorry, but I'm not going to breakdown how many super caps I have built in the last 12 months while the numbers are still ~strategically sensitive~. Come back in winter and I'll tell you exactly how many super carriers I've made.

The 'I replaced my epeen with a supercarrier' brigade are trying to throw up a smoke screen of 'goons are jealous because they don't have any supercaps' while trying to obfuscate the fact that they are upset because they thought they'd 'won eve'.

Pro-tip for you guys: There's only one way to win eve, and it's not buy spending a lot of money on an internet spaceship.
Death2all Supercaps
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#2205 - 2011-10-16 13:25:49 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Midnight Firestarter wrote:
Goons want a Super nerf because they don't have that many = Devs want Super Nerf.


I'm sorry, but I'm not going to breakdown how many super caps I have built in the last 12 months while the numbers are still ~strategically sensitive~. Come back in winter and I'll tell you exactly how many super carriers I've made.

The 'I replaced my epeen with a supercarrier' brigade are trying to throw up a smoke screen of 'goons are jealous because they don't have any supercaps' while trying to obfuscate the fact that they are upset because they thought they'd 'won eve'.

Pro-tip for you guys: There's only one way to win eve, and it's not buy spending a lot of money on an internet spaceship.


(hes not really sorry) ;)
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#2206 - 2011-10-16 13:35:10 UTC  |  Edited by: wanking monkey girl
how to win eve by goons

step 1 make a thread
when you can't win make a thread have ccp change the game to suit goons

step 2 whine.
wait a month goons lose again make a new thread and a million others and spam local
ccp change it again for goons

step 3 have a goon join ccp this have happened still love you serge

step 4 try and take over CSM happened on part but they have a controlling interest (mittans grand ruler of the pubbys)

this leaves us with the majority of old time eve players being s--t on my ccp and the coming changes
if anyone has noticed that the goons coalition is now the largest after most DRF have reset each other
now they have the controlling interest in 0.0 what will they change next about goon online
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#2207 - 2011-10-16 13:43:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
wanking monkey girl wrote:

if anyone has noticed the larges coalition in eve is now goons with the reset from drf
now they have the controlling interest in 0.0 what will they change next about goon online


I ignored the rest of your crap (because it was all crap) but this is exactly how 'reset' the DRF is:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=21828&find=unread

They are SO reset that they are still scrambling fleets to defend each others supercaps. So I guess it's the kind of reset where you keep your standings and actively work together on ops to achieve mutual goals.

It's probably just a language barrier thing, but native speakers would call that more of an ongoing coalition than a standings reset.
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#2208 - 2011-10-16 13:52:41 UTC
with most of the alliance making up the coalition neutral to each other and roaming each other space to find them faction fitted tengu its a reset not saying their no hip in place thi
loser mclame fatty
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2209 - 2011-10-16 13:56:06 UTC
the people in this thread are worse than the poor people in america who vote for republicans jesus christ you are all ********
Acwron
Meet The Fockers
#2210 - 2011-10-16 14:06:13 UTC
loser mclame fatty wrote:
the people in this thread are worse than the poor people in america who vote for republicans jesus christ you are all ********



I totally agree...wait, you're in this thread too ! Damn, I am also !

I have a question for those who want SC's nerfed :

HOW ARE WE GOING TO CALL THEM FROM NOW ON ??? Cos Super Carrier will be quite inappropriate ! What they will carry if they don't carry drones of all kinds? Prostitutes? I'd love that but I doubt CCP wants us happy...maybe in some future expansion, Pornucopia...

I agree they are abit overpowered but taking 20% HP should be enough imo.
FHM
Doomheim
#2211 - 2011-10-16 15:08:10 UTC
Acwron wrote:
loser mclame fatty wrote:
the people in this thread are worse than the poor people in america who vote for republicans jesus christ you are all ********



I totally agree...wait, you're in this thread too ! Damn, I am also !

I have a question for those who want SC's nerfed :

HOW ARE WE GOING TO CALL THEM FROM NOW ON ??? Cos Super Carrier will be quite inappropriate ! What they will carry if they don't carry drones of all kinds? Prostitutes? I'd love that but I doubt CCP wants us happy...maybe in some future expansion, Pornucopia...

I agree they are abit overpowered but taking 20% HP should be enough imo.



You are really but hurt because your supercapital BLOB is about to die. Super Carrier... is a Carrier.. Super not standing there for being an invincible game braking ship but Super as in Super-sized Carrier. And no its not enough 20%EHP reduction is great for all apart for HEL that has been neglected since it came out.

End Story is final:

1) These ships had such powerhouse in them because they were so-pose to be rare then it would work if each alliance had maybe max 3-5 of these.
2) These ships are so many in numbers they can no longer poses so much survivability to damage ratio.
3) Any ability these ships have to do damage to sub capital ships is stupid and should be removed because it only encourages the super capital BLOB

It does not matter how much you spent for it, how much base price is, how much longer you had to train or what their title is. The fact is they were so pose to be ULTRA RARE then they can stay as they are but they are so many in numbers they need to be nerfed now once and for all.


REMOVE THE ABILITY FOR SUPER CAPITALS TO DO DAMAGE TO SUB CAPITALS

MAKE THEM DEPEND ON SUB CAPITAL SUPPORT AGAINST OTHER SUB CAPITALS

MAKE THEM USELESS SPACE "D I C K S" THAT THEY WERE MEANT TO BE BY GIVING THEM THEIR TRUE ROLE BACK

NERF THEM EVEN MORE
FHM
Doomheim
#2212 - 2011-10-16 15:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: FHM
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Midnight Firestarter wrote:
Goons want a Super nerf because they don't have that many = Devs want Super Nerf.


I'm sorry, but I'm not going to breakdown how many super caps I have built in the last 12 months while the numbers are still ~strategically sensitive~. Come back in winter and I'll tell you exactly how many super carriers I've made.

The 'I replaced my epeen with a supercarrier' brigade are trying to throw up a smoke screen of 'goons are jealous because they don't have any supercaps' while trying to obfuscate the fact that they are upset because they thought they'd 'won eve'.

Pro-tip for you guys: There's only one way to win eve, and it's not buy spending a lot of money on an internet spaceship.



I dont like Goons i think they are a bunch of sociopaths but they alone did what most of us failed to do. They **** caged combined DRF and PL super fleet in one system and broke all attempts enemy tried at advancing or saving their super capitals and managed to kill their enemy's super carriers outside their space while on strict defense.

Say what you will but whole "POWER BLOCK" as they call them selves got BUT HURT so badly they only have on thing left and that is crying that Goons are the result of this nerf.

But if you take a closer look they are nerfing super capitals not because of GOONs or GOON CSM but because the same people who now cry about supers being nerfed and are blaming goons over abused SUPER CAPITAL BLOB to a point where heading out whit large fleets or making any kind of invasion plans is pointles.

So DONT BLAME - Goons for the SUPER CAPITAL NERF - You brought this to your self You people that participated in Super Capital BLOB warfare are the result of this nerf and how severe it has to be NOT GOONS.

You are only crying now because you know that most of these "hardcore pvp alliances", WN., RA, PL, Raiden.,NC., Shadow are 2 pathetic to fight on an equal plane and you know you will be loosing humiliating fights to alliances you call minor unimportant carebare alliances like : AAA, RAZOR, BRICK, MM, ROL, SE, COVEN, RL, TEST, GSF, FA etc..
Acwron
Meet The Fockers
#2213 - 2011-10-16 16:10:38 UTC
FHM wrote:
Acwron wrote:
loser mclame fatty wrote:
the people in this thread are worse than the poor people in america who vote for republicans jesus christ you are all ********



You are really but hurt because your supercapital BLOB is about to die. Super Carrier... is a Carrier.. Super not standing there for being an invincible game braking ship but Super as in Super-sized Carrier. And no its not enough 20%EHP reduction is great for all apart for HEL that has been neglected since it came out.

End Story is final:

1) These ships had such powerhouse in them because they were so-pose to be rare then it would work if each alliance had maybe max 3-5 of these.
2) These ships are so many in numbers they can no longer poses so much survivability to damage ratio.
3) Any ability these ships have to do damage to sub capital ships is stupid and should be removed because it only encourages the super capital BLOB

It does not matter how much you spent for it, how much base price is, how much longer you had to train or what their title is. The fact is they were so pose to be ULTRA RARE then they can stay as they are but they are so many in numbers they need to be nerfed now once and for all.


REMOVE THE ABILITY FOR SUPER CAPITALS TO DO DAMAGE TO SUB CAPITALS

MAKE THEM DEPEND ON SUB CAPITAL SUPPORT AGAINST OTHER SUB CAPITALS

MAKE THEM USELESS SPACE "D I C K S" THAT THEY WERE MEANT TO BE BY GIVING THEM THEIR TRUE ROLE BACK

NERF THEM EVEN MORE



You want a SUPER CAPITAL SHIP dependent of some other ships ? That's their role, to be dependent ? LOL LOL LOL

Hey bro, I just spend a shite lot of isk on a SC...--> Cool bro !
But but...I can't do anything with it...---> Why bro ?
Cos I'm dependent on other ships, I can't hit subcapitals, I can't carry drones, I'm you know...around...but can't do shite.

Bro, now I have a TITAN ! Spent all my isk earned in years, trained for years to fly it and now, here I am, KING OF THE HILL !
But but...I can't hit anything cos some lame arses complained...Why am I better than them? I dunno, maybe cos I have years of training and you have a few days? Hmmm...tough question...

You my friend are hopeless...go fly your glorious drake...These ships are THE BIGGEST and MOST POWERFUL SHIPS in game and that's the way they have to stay !

Biomass is your destiny...

<------Tetris this way
Solitaire -------> That way
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#2214 - 2011-10-16 16:18:30 UTC
sorry but i have to take a look at this list of minor unimportant carebare alliances you have
lets start with this list here non of them are classed as unimportant each have show they can fight and fight well meny of them can't do it allow but its why their in a power block for the support of their allies
: AAA, RAZOR, BRICK, MM, SE, COVEN, TEST, GSF, FA

unimportant carebare alliance
ROL, nail on the head comes to mind

and who is RL,

=======

ships costing so much in both isk and skill time ccp think about rewarding the hard work of you loyal eve fans and addicts

How to fix a titan by making them remote links stop working on them.
getting impunity for ewar means it should not get any form of help from remote links like tracking and sebo.

nurf changes
hp hit great but not the hel
DD fine
agro timer great

sc
let them have 20 fighter bombers and 20 fighters and a small drone bay with about 500m3 this will cut
if you go ahead with the changes listed then turn them in to advanced carrier and let them dock at lest their going to be used and made after the nurf.

as many have pointed out with the agro timer you will see many more die in the weeks and month that follow..

but also fix the self destruct add so ships in combat can not selfdestruck.

on a side note super carriers in combat cannot refill on stranded drones lock the function with the agro timer.
solo super carrier moving about will be able to deafened itself for a limited amount of time

IF the planed changes are introduced allow them to dock and turn the super carriers in to advanced carriers.
let advanced carriers dock
Pesadel0
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2215 - 2011-10-16 16:30:02 UTC
wanking monkey girl wrote:
sorry but i have to take a look at this list of minor unimportant carebare alliances you have
lets start with this list here non of them are classed as unimportant each have show they can fight and fight well meny of them can't do it allow but its why their in a power block for the support of their allies
: AAA, RAZOR, BRICK, MM, SE, COVEN, TEST, GSF, FA

unimportant carebare alliance
ROL, nail on the head comes to mind

and who is RL,

=======

ships costing so much in both isk and skill time ccp think about rewarding the hard work of you loyal eve fans and addicts

How to fix a titan by making them remote links stop working on them.
getting impunity for ewar means it should not get any form of help from remote links like tracking and sebo.

nurf changes
hp hit great but not the hel
DD fine
agro timer great

sc
let them have 20 fighter bombers and 20 fighters and a small drone bay with about 500m3 this will cut
if you go ahead with the changes listed then turn them in to advanced carrier and let them dock at lest their going to be used and made after the nurf.

as many have pointed out with the agro timer you will see many more die in the weeks and month that follow..

but also fix the self destruct add so ships in combat can not selfdestruck.

on a side note super carriers in combat cannot refill on stranded drones lock the function with the agro timer.
solo super carrier moving about will be able to deafened itself for a limited amount of time

IF the planed changes are introduced allow them to dock and turn the super carriers in to advanced carriers.
let advanced carriers dock


Noob alliance reporting in , still have more space and do more battles in 0.0 than your leet pvp group brahh.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2216 - 2011-10-16 16:41:15 UTC
wanking monkey girl wrote:
=======

ships costing so much in both isk and skill time ccp think about rewarding the hard work of you loyal eve fans and addicts

How to fix a titan by making them remote links stop working on them.
getting impunity for ewar means it should not get any form of help from remote links like tracking and sebo.

nurf changes
hp hit great but not the hel
DD fine
agro timer great

sc
let them have 20 fighter bombers and 20 fighters and a small drone bay with about 500m3 this will cut
if you go ahead with the changes listed then turn them in to advanced carrier and let them dock at lest their going to be used and made after the nurf.

as many have pointed out with the agro timer you will see many more die in the weeks and month that follow..

but also fix the self destruct add so ships in combat can not selfdestruck.

on a side note super carriers in combat cannot refill on stranded drones lock the function with the agro timer.
solo super carrier moving about will be able to deafened itself for a limited amount of time

IF the planed changes are introduced allow them to dock and turn the super carriers in to advanced carriers.
let advanced carriers dock


Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#2217 - 2011-10-16 16:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: wanking monkey girl
Quote:
Noob alliance reporting in , still have more space and do more battles in 0.0 than your leet pvp group brahh.


bots ratting is not a battles trying to save your alliance leader from the ban hammer may be tho will have to check with ccp on that
whats the count now 2 banned
Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#2218 - 2011-10-16 16:50:12 UTC
wanking monkey girl wrote:
bots ratting is not a battles trying to save your alliance leader from the ban hammer may be tho will have to check with ccp on that
whats the count now 2 banned


He mad
Pesadel0
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2219 - 2011-10-16 17:06:01 UTC
wanking monkey girl wrote:
Quote:
Noob alliance reporting in , still have more space and do more battles in 0.0 than your leet pvp group brahh.


bots ratting is not a battles trying to save your alliance leader from the ban hammer may be tho will have to check with ccp on that
whats the count now 2 banned



You mad brah?
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#2220 - 2011-10-16 17:26:32 UTC
just stating that rol has lost 2 alliance leaders to a RMT bot scandal
the only time you see rol is moving in high sec or ratting and warping to a ss