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Isabel Midnight
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#241 - 2012-09-10 12:44:49 UTC
Go back to /r/MRA
Elshar Khandar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#242 - 2012-09-10 12:45:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Elshar Khandar
Isabel Midnight wrote:
Go back to /r/MRA


Go back to what now?

EDIT - I've googled what you just said and there are way too many things that you clearly don't mean. Have you devolved to meaningless insults or did you actually have a real meaning to that instruction?
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#243 - 2012-09-10 13:27:23 UTC
I believe I have sorted this one.

This is a misogynistic man posting as a woman, and is attempting to demean and marginalize women by creating an example of deranged interests put forth by a woman.

By acting really foolish, they hope all women will seem to be more foolish as a result.

It is a rather clever spin on the dumb blonde stereotype, where women are associated with needy desires due to the blonde acting as a representative of their gender as a whole.

Well played.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#244 - 2012-09-10 13:45:58 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
intent has nothing to do with whether it is misogynistic or not.

I was walking along one day and there was this woman going the other way and I accidentally hated her for a second.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Elshar Khandar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#245 - 2012-09-10 13:49:48 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Interesting suggestion


You make an interesting point and I would concur. Things simply don't add up if one was to take her at face value.

So either:

a) She is actually a mentally deficient woman
or
b) She's a man trying to demean women

Considering he/she has shown the capacity for logical debate and continues to use the word misogyny incorrectly even though he/she has had it explained it seems unlikely that it really is a woman. So yes, your suggestion seems to fit the facts best.

Congrats for uncovering this now obvious misogynist.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#246 - 2012-09-10 14:01:05 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
It's hilarious went dudes post about how 'oppressed' they are in these modern times.


How dare we point out when we're unfairly represented or mistreated! Blah blah misogyny blah blah privilege blah blah blah.

At first I thought you were a very clever troll. Then you kept going and I thought you were serious. Now you're down to not even attempting to have a conversation and simply posting one-line idiocy to keep people going and I'm back to thinking troll, only much less clever. You've gotten lazy. You might spice up future posts by talking about the chauvinistic patriarchy.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Isabel Midnight
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#247 - 2012-09-10 14:06:01 UTC
Mens are the REAL victims here!
Isabel Midnight
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#248 - 2012-09-10 14:08:42 UTC
By all means write me off as a troll if it means you stop posting your drivel in here. I would love to see you try to explain to a room of people irl that men are the ones who are being oppressed by feminists calling them out on their misogyny.

Misogyny so ingrained that they don't even realize they are doing it and get super offended if you point it out.


HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A MEAN WORD !! Roll
Elshar Khandar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#249 - 2012-09-10 14:15:35 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
By all means write me off as a troll if it means you stop posting your drivel in here. I would love to see you try to explain to a room of people irl that men are the ones who are being oppressed by feminists calling them out on their misogyny.

Misogyny so ingrained that they don't even realize they are doing it and get super offended if you point it out.


HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A MEAN WORD !! Roll


I reiterate; please acquaint yourself with an accurate definition of misogyny. You seem to believe something that simply isn't true.

Your arguments are falling down around your ears because you refuse to answer simple questions regarding them or, for that matter, anything else.

You've ignored my last few questions to you, presumably because you have no decent answers. Either enter the debate or accept that Nik got it right.
Isabel Midnight
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#250 - 2012-09-10 14:19:38 UTC
It's pretty obvious to anyone educated reading this that both are you are very ingrained misogynists. Crying about how it's not your interpretation of the definition won't get you anywhere. Misogyny is misogyny even if the person is too dumb to realize what they are doing.
Sal Volatile
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#251 - 2012-09-10 14:24:44 UTC
Elshar Khandar wrote:

I reiterate; please acquaint yourself with an accurate definition of misogyny. You seem to believe something that simply isn't true.

Your arguments are falling down around your ears because you refuse to answer simple questions regarding them or, for that matter, anything else.

You've ignored my last few questions to you, presumably because you have no decent answers. Either enter the debate or accept that Nik got it right.


The only people who accept your so-called accurate definition of misogyny are MRAs and other misogynists.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#252 - 2012-09-10 14:26:03 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
By all means write me off as a troll if it means you stop posting your drivel in here. I would love to see you try to explain to a room of people irl that men are the ones who are being oppressed by feminists calling them out on their misogyny.

Who said we're "the ones being oppressed"? Why can't both genders point out flaws in society?

No one is being oppressed. Our society sucks and places unrealistic expectations on everyone. There's no grand conspiracy of men trying to subjugate women...it's just stupidity in action by all parties involved.

Isabel Midnight wrote:
Misogyny so ingrained that they don't even realize they are doing it and get super offended if you point it out.

"You hate me and don't even know it."

Of course I'm going to get offended if you accuse me of acts of hatred. Wouldn't you?

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Elshar Khandar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#253 - 2012-09-10 14:28:01 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
It's pretty obvious to anyone educated reading this that both are you are very ingrained misogynists. Crying about how it's not your interpretation of the definition won't get you anywhere. Misogyny is misogyny even if the person is too dumb to realize what they are doing.


Ok, just for intellectual curiosity lets, hypothetically, say that you're definition is correct (which in reality it isn't).

By your own definition you're a misandrist and a racist. Whether your intention was to insult my gender or race you have because I say you have.

So, do you accept that you're a misandrist and a racist?
Sal Volatile
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#254 - 2012-09-10 14:28:36 UTC
Xuixien wrote:

70-80% of the victims of violent crime are............ men.
Most **** victims are.......... men.
Most military casualties are.......... men.
Most people killed on the job are........ men.
The people working the tough and dangerous jobs are...... men.
Perpetrators of domestic violence are equally likely to be male or female, yet domestic abusers are only portrayed as......... men.
As much as 40% of child molesters are female, yet child molesters are only portrayed as......... men.
"Primary Aggressor" laws mean that even if the perpetrator is female, the people arrested for domestic disputes are.............. men.

INB4 B-b-b-b-b-but CEO's.


I'm just going to put a giant citation needed on these MRA talking points.

Also, counterpoint: A woman posts about how she thinks that being forced to put heels on her character is sexist and promptly gets dogpiled and insulted by numerous male posters.
Elshar Khandar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#255 - 2012-09-10 14:28:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Elshar Khandar
Sal Volatile wrote:
Elshar Khandar wrote:

I reiterate; please acquaint yourself with an accurate definition of misogyny. You seem to believe something that simply isn't true.

Your arguments are falling down around your ears because you refuse to answer simple questions regarding them or, for that matter, anything else.

You've ignored my last few questions to you, presumably because you have no decent answers. Either enter the debate or accept that Nik got it right.


The only people who accept your so-called accurate definition of misogyny are MRAs and other misogynists.


Or just people who understand the English language.

EDIT - also, what the heck does MRA stand for?

If googled all I get is:

Motorcycle Racing Association

Magnetic Resonance Angiography

Mail Retrieval Agent

Mountain Rescue Association
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#256 - 2012-09-10 14:30:02 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
It's pretty obvious to anyone educated reading this that both are you are very ingrained misogynists.

Show me one example of my so-called misogyny.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Elshar Khandar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#257 - 2012-09-10 14:30:54 UTC
Sal Volatile wrote:
Xuixien wrote:

70-80% of the victims of violent crime are............ men.
Most **** victims are.......... men.
Most military casualties are.......... men.
Most people killed on the job are........ men.
The people working the tough and dangerous jobs are...... men.
Perpetrators of domestic violence are equally likely to be male or female, yet domestic abusers are only portrayed as......... men.
As much as 40% of child molesters are female, yet child molesters are only portrayed as......... men.
"Primary Aggressor" laws mean that even if the perpetrator is female, the people arrested for domestic disputes are.............. men.

INB4 B-b-b-b-b-but CEO's.


I'm just going to put a giant citation needed on these MRA talking points.

Also, counterpoint: A woman posts about how she thinks that being forced to put heels on her character is sexist and promptly gets dogpiled and insulted by numerous male posters.


Where have I insulted any women?
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#258 - 2012-09-10 14:43:01 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Sal Volatile wrote:
A woman posts about how she thinks that being forced to put heels on her character is sexist and promptly gets dogpiled and insulted by numerous male posters.

The first page:

1: OP
2: "this is a troll, right?"
3: "Men should get high heels, too!"
4: OP: "Post 3 isn't relevant to the subject I've dictated."
5: OP: bump
6: Marginally amusing troll poem/song
7: "Not another useless thread"
8: OP: #7 obviously hates women
9: "CCP should put flats in the NEX"
10: "It's only a game."
11: "Is this really that important?"
12: "Nobody cares."
13: "I'd like to have shoes without heels."
14: "The vehement reaction against this is telling." (what vehement reaction? Vehement apathy?)
15: "Agree."
16: "I have seen the future, and it wears heels."
17: Strange post talking about trans players and then supporting the OP and then...asking the OP out?
18: "How is having a female character crossdressing?"
19: #17 replies to #18.
20: "Did you know that high heels may improve the tone of a woman's pelvic floor, thus affecting female incontinence?" (which I believe was pasted from some web site, obviously a joke on the part of the poster)

#7, 10, 11, and 12 all had the same initial reaction I did: is this really that important? This is shoes in a game about internet space ships. The reaction wasn't one of hatred or oppression, but a total lack of caring...which was promptly interpreted as hate.

There were four posts of direct support, four posts of the "meh" variety, and it's being suggested that this thread got "dogpiled" by woman-haters.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#259 - 2012-09-10 14:45:30 UTC
Sal Volatile wrote:
Elshar Khandar wrote:

I reiterate; please acquaint yourself with an accurate definition of misogyny. You seem to believe something that simply isn't true.

Your arguments are falling down around your ears because you refuse to answer simple questions regarding them or, for that matter, anything else.

You've ignored my last few questions to you, presumably because you have no decent answers. Either enter the debate or accept that Nik got it right.


The only people who accept your so-called accurate definition of misogyny are MRAs and other misogynists.

Courtesy of dictionary dot com
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misogyny
mi·sog·y·ny   [mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-]
noun
hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.[/url]

The difference that makes no difference IS no difference.

And please specify your usage of MRA, it seems to lack relevance to this issue without proper context.

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Elshar Khandar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#260 - 2012-09-10 15:05:41 UTC
MRA = Men's Rights Advocate

Is this right?

If so I can see a glaringly obvious flaw in your argument. MRA's appear to stand for equal rights. They don't have a misogynistic viewpoint. Equal rights is not a hateful standpoint.

If you think it is you're condemning a massive proportion of the female population of the world to be hatemongers as Women's Rights (equal rights for women) as a concept has been subscribed to by women for more than a century.

That is, unless you're a man-hater. In that case your viewpoint is skewed by hate so should be discarded as irrelevant.