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New dev blog: Capital ship balancing

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FHM
Doomheim
#2101 - 2011-10-14 21:02:31 UTC
The Dealmaker wrote:
Its problem 0.0 sec ONLY and many players from 0.0 have many chars as you know and its not 1% much more


Everyone that is paying for this game has a word in this its not only a 0.0 problem it conserns all players and if you read theve Q2 report you would know that super capital pilots represent barely 1.3 % of entire game population. 99% of people agree to this changes and also think they are not enough at least on Dreadnaught and Titan part.

Titans guns need nerfing, Dreads guns buffing same guns still you get the point.

Only thing i dissagree is that they applied EHP reduction to Hel that ship is poor as it is.
The Dealmaker
Shadow of Angmar
Cyno.Up
#2102 - 2011-10-14 21:06:51 UTC  |  Edited by: The Dealmaker
Yes nerf must be changes on dred and titand drone bay is away its ok i think it not play a big role on this ships on SC drone bay can be reduced but players must decide themseves how to fit it .
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#2103 - 2011-10-14 21:10:06 UTC
this will affect high sec
miners mine in high sec for the mins
empire builders makes the rails for the huge about of mins needed to build supers and are going to be efected by this.
so before you say 99% are with this think about it
goons do not make up 99% of eve not eve 5% so think again about the statement you made.
FHM
Doomheim
#2104 - 2011-10-14 21:15:48 UTC
The Dealmaker wrote:
Yes nerf must be changes on dred and titand drone bay is away its ok i think it not play a big role on this ships on SC drone bay can be reduced but players must decide themseves how to fit it .


Ok how about this ? Give super carriers reduced 500m3 drone bay for other drones apart from Fighters and Fighter Bombers but make them take even when fully seboed and boosted 5min to lock a sub capital ship.

Or dont nerf the drone bay but make them able to field only 5 standard drones at once. That way they can hit sub capital ships but not for much they will still be useless in a BLOB since they can only field 5 standard drones at once and fighters cant hit anything anymore.

Those 2 solutions work.

In the end giving them any kind of ability to damage sub capitals is stupid. So any other change is stupid.

Just like this one: If they dont nerf them then make a very very cheap ship like t1 frig that costs 1mil isk but can disable any super carrier or titan for 5min.

So this small ship would be able to shoot 1 projectile at a super capital that would disable the super capital ship for 5 min rendering it unable to launch drones, activate any modules apart from hardners.
FHM
Doomheim
#2105 - 2011-10-14 21:20:39 UTC
wanking monkey girl wrote:
this will affect high sec
miners mine in high sec for the mins
empire builders makes the rails for the huge about of mins needed to build supers and are going to be efected by this.
so before you say 99% are with this think about it
goons do not make up 99% of eve not eve 5% so think again about the statement you made.


I have no link to to goons.. Nor do i favor them. You had a chance to vote against Mittani or put your own person in CSM but you didnt know deal whit it. I dont care what bunch of sociopaths think.

99% of people are the people that live in WH space, Empire doing L4s, Trade, Industry, Mining, Contracts, Piracy etc... , Low sec corporations and alliances that do piracy pvp, low sec incursions etc. And 0.0 that are unable to defend them selves against a steam roller that is a super capital blob.

If DRF came at SW whit a sub capital blob it would have been a long long war prolly ended up by DRF loosing. Consider i belong to no 0.0 alliance or corporation but this is the 99% of people. 99% of people do not sit in a super capital ship.

Read the EvE Quarterly reports it shows very well how many active super capitals are there in game...
RavenNyx
Tax 'n Death
#2106 - 2011-10-14 21:21:05 UTC  |  Edited by: RavenNyx
Dogeatdog wrote:
So seeing how hybrid damage is weak moros's are usless with no drone damage.Will the hitpoints be dropped on drones also?
Nice that ccp is always looking to nerf stuff to make the new players happy.Reminds me of another game that isnt around anymore.

lol

New players are flying moros' now, with T2 sentry drones? Oh, and I guess I just imagined the part about the buffing of hybrids, the ROF bonus comming to the moros, and the damage-buff to all dreads...

Ummm.. What where you saying again?
The Dealmaker
Shadow of Angmar
Cyno.Up
#2107 - 2011-10-14 21:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: The Dealmaker
I agree that SC is using for kill capitals but i even agree that SC can will have only 125k m3 drone bay its enough for 25 fb 20 for skills and +5 for drone units but if you dont want using fb you can fit any drones but you can't fit 25 fb its all and if SC alone in home system it can protect itself .
FHM
Doomheim
#2108 - 2011-10-14 21:25:55 UTC
RavenNyx wrote:
Dogeatdog wrote:
So seeing how hybrid damage is weak moros's are usless with no drone damage.Will the hitpoints be dropped on drones also?
Nice that ccp is always looking to nerf stuff to make the new players happy.Reminds me of another game that isnt around anymore.

lol

New players are flying moros' now, with T2 sentry drones? Oh, and I guess I just imagined the part about the buffing of hybrids, the ROF bonus comming to the moros, and the damage-buff to all dreads...

Ummm.. What where you saying again?


Hes saying he does not know jack S H I T about the game.
FHM
Doomheim
#2109 - 2011-10-14 21:29:19 UTC
The Dealmaker wrote:
I agree that SC is using for kill capital but i even agree that SC can will have only 125k m3 drone bay its enough for 25 fb 20 for skills and +5 for drone units but if you dont want using fb you can fit any drones but you can't fit 25 fb its all and if SC alone in home system it can protect itself .


Again you argument is stupid. SC Alone is not an option it does not work. SC Can protect is self against a dread or a carrier but not against a subcapital fleet that is just stupid. If you are caught solo you are dead. SC is meant to have sub capital support to defend it against other sub capitals.

You should only be able to fit and decide between Fighters or Fighter Bombers. Giving them any kind of ability to field other drones just gives them ability to put damage on sub capitals and does nothing to super capital BLOB warfare.
The Dealmaker
Shadow of Angmar
Cyno.Up
#2110 - 2011-10-14 21:34:09 UTC
FHM wrote:
The Dealmaker wrote:
I agree that SC is using for kill capital but i even agree that SC can will have only 125k m3 drone bay its enough for 25 fb 20 for skills and +5 for drone units but if you dont want using fb you can fit any drones but you can't fit 25 fb its all and if SC alone in home system it can protect itself .


Again you argument is stupid. SC Alone is not an option it does not work. SC Can protect is self against a dread or a carrier but not against a subcapital fleet that is just stupid. If you are caught solo you are dead. SC is meant to have sub capital support to defend it against other sub capitals.

You should only be able to fit and decide between Fighters or Fighter Bombers. Giving them any kind of ability to field other drones just gives them ability to put damage on sub capitals and does nothing to super capital BLOB warfare.




ok HOW SC protect from heavydictors? 4-5 heavy dictors cost 600-700 kk able to kill ship which cost 20b its funny
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#2111 - 2011-10-14 21:35:21 UTC
the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed

super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic
Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2112 - 2011-10-14 21:38:15 UTC
wanking monkey girl wrote:
the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed

super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic


Passive shield regen should be enough...
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#2113 - 2011-10-14 21:41:17 UTC
Demon Azrakel wrote:
wanking monkey girl wrote:
the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed

super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic


Passive shield regen should be enough...


it may not take any damage but all it will take to hold the ship in place for the small lol fleet to come and kill it
it want be able to log off or get out
so it will need some type of defense
The Dealmaker
Shadow of Angmar
Cyno.Up
#2114 - 2011-10-14 21:41:57 UTC  |  Edited by: The Dealmaker
Demon Azrakel wrote:
wanking monkey girl wrote:
the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed

super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic


Passive shield regen should be enough...

?? Just looking about passiive shield on nyx and aeon and you thing its enough?))
FHM
Doomheim
#2115 - 2011-10-14 21:48:29 UTC
The Dealmaker wrote:
FHM wrote:
The Dealmaker wrote:
I agree that SC is using for kill capital but i even agree that SC can will have only 125k m3 drone bay its enough for 25 fb 20 for skills and +5 for drone units but if you dont want using fb you can fit any drones but you can't fit 25 fb its all and if SC alone in home system it can protect itself .


Again you argument is stupid. SC Alone is not an option it does not work. SC Can protect is self against a dread or a carrier but not against a subcapital fleet that is just stupid. If you are caught solo you are dead. SC is meant to have sub capital support to defend it against other sub capitals.

You should only be able to fit and decide between Fighters or Fighter Bombers. Giving them any kind of ability to field other drones just gives them ability to put damage on sub capitals and does nothing to super capital BLOB warfare.




ok HOW SC protect from heavydictors? 4-5 heavy dictors cost 600-700 kk able to kill ship which cost 20b its funny



By having sub capital support whit it. SC can do **** solo its not meant to be a solo ship i dont understand what you dont get here. SC depends on sub capital escorts to defend it against HICTORS... Or are you 2 stupid to understand that.
FHM
Doomheim
#2116 - 2011-10-14 21:50:23 UTC
wanking monkey girl wrote:
the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed

super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic



Again R E T A R D E D and STUPID argument. No they are no able to defend them selves against a solo hic or dic. If they are caught solo by a HICTOR they deserve to die. SC is not a solo ship that is not its role nor design it depends on sub capitals to defend her.

And solo HIC cant kill it solo it needs a fleet.

I dont get it how you are 2 stupid to understand that.
FHM
Doomheim
#2117 - 2011-10-14 21:52:46 UTC
wanking monkey girl wrote:
Demon Azrakel wrote:
wanking monkey girl wrote:
the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed

super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic


Passive shield regen should be enough...


it may not take any damage but all it will take to hold the ship in place for the small lol fleet to come and kill it
it want be able to log off or get out
so it will need some type of defense



No if you are caught SOLO whithout subcapital support you are RE TARDE D and STUPID and deserve to die. SC is not a SOLO ship there is nothing this thing should be doing whitout sub capital support if its going to be fielded it needs a sub capital support. Thats why its getting nerfed cuss people like you are 2 stupid and 2 noob to get kills on even levels you need Super Capital ships to kill a lone frigate.
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#2118 - 2011-10-14 21:53:33 UTC
you are thinking about fleets

we are talking about solo supers moving making isk and so on not every super are being used in the fleets

look at the post about ppl using them to make isk and so on

such ships need to be moved its not possible to move a fleet every time a ship needs to move.
FHM
Doomheim
#2119 - 2011-10-14 21:54:52 UTC
The Dealmaker wrote:
Demon Azrakel wrote:
wanking monkey girl wrote:
the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed

super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic


Passive shield regen should be enough...

?? Just looking about passiive shield on nyx and aeon and you thing its enough?))


Yes against 1 HIC yes it will last forever. 1 HIC cannot kill it it will need a fleet and they will still have enough EHP or Active tank to sustain them until friendly fleet comes to help but honestly if you are caught SOLO in a super capital ship you deserve to die and there should be no way of escape for you.


YOU WERE 2 STUPID TO REALIZE YOU ARE TAKING A FLEET SUPPORT SHIP OUT AS SOLO YOU DESERVE TO DIE IN IT
The Dealmaker
Shadow of Angmar
Cyno.Up
#2120 - 2011-10-14 21:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: The Dealmaker
why not solo!!! solo pvp must exist !! its FUN some people have solo SC pvp and have fun as supcap pvp maybe even more if you want to protect from cap ships install cynosural jammer = 600kk ISK per month and cap ship not disterb you