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Hacking Secure Cargo Containers / POS Shields Allowed?
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Khorkrak
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-09-05 16:53:07 UTC
Read through the EULA and I'm still unclear on whether it's permissible to hack into secure containers via brute force key guessing - same goes for guessing the code for POS shields. Is it valid game play to say enter a few common passwords and if your target was stupid enough to use one and you break in then it's OK to steal the loot or is that a EULA violation?

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Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-09-05 16:54:14 UTC
Khorkrak wrote:
Read through the EULA and I'm still unclear on whether it's permissible to hack into secure containers via brute force key guessing - same goes for guessing the code for POS shields. Is it valid game play to say enter a few common passwords and if your target was stupid enough to use one and you break in then it's OK to steal the loot or is that a EULA violation?



I would say along with other things in game IE scamming stealing and the likes. it would be fine lolz :)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-09-05 16:57:17 UTC
actually the password is almost invariably 'boobies'
Othran
Route One
#4 - 2012-09-05 16:57:44 UTC
Khorkrak wrote:
Read through the EULA and I'm still unclear on whether it's permissible to hack into secure containers via brute force key guessing - same goes for guessing the code for POS shields. Is it valid game play to say enter a few common passwords and if your target was stupid enough to use one and you break in then it's OK to steal the loot or is that a EULA violation?


Its fine.

No EULA violation there as its in-game items and in no way affects the account login.

Personally I've lost count of how many fuckwits I've seen type the POS password in local.......
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#5 - 2012-09-05 16:57:55 UTC
Khorkrak wrote:
Read through the EULA and I'm still unclear on whether it's permissible to hack into secure containers via brute force key guessing - same goes for guessing the code for POS shields. Is it valid game play to say enter a few common passwords and if your target was stupid enough to use one and you break in then it's OK to steal the loot or is that a EULA violation?


People spy out pos passwords all the time. This is not a violation and is merely a product of the metagame.

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#6 - 2012-09-05 16:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentient Blade
Common sense suggests: Don't.

If you acquired the password by in game means such as someone trusting you who shouldn't then sure, they're fair game.

If you try brute forcing them, however, expect the banhammer to hit you in the face.
Tekniq
Bionic Systems
#7 - 2012-09-05 17:07:07 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:

If you try brute forcing them, however, expect the banhammer to hit you in the face.



why?

only if he doies it via bots
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#8 - 2012-09-05 17:10:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Sentient Blade wrote:
Common sense suggests: Don't.

If you acquired the password by in game means such as someone trusting you who shouldn't then sure, they're fair game.

If you try brute forcing them, however, expect the banhammer to hit you in the face.

There is nothing in the EULA that says you can't sit at someone's POS or can and continually try to guess their password. Now if you somehow automate that process, that is a different issue.

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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#9 - 2012-09-05 17:13:21 UTC
1. dispel force field
2. take nyx

it's magic

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-09-05 17:13:27 UTC
Khorkrak
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-09-05 17:29:05 UTC
Right I wasn't referring to using an automated process. This is simply trying out a set of common passwords on each can to see if one works using the normal process of manual clicking, typing it in etc. I'm fairly certain it's allowed but just not totally sure.

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Doddy
Excidium.
#12 - 2012-09-05 18:46:47 UTC
Its completely allowed, why wouldn't it be? Corp ticker is a lol one

Of course good luck cracking any sensible pw without automation ;).
Khorkrak
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-09-05 18:56:33 UTC
Well the sensible ones are nigh impossible but there are plenty of morons especially in the high sec ice fields.... 654321 Big smile

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-09-05 19:05:01 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
If you try brute forcing them, however, expect the banhammer to hit you in the face.


Explain why I haven't been banned for doing this?


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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#15 - 2012-09-05 20:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
I would bet you any automated script will be classified as a bot... dictionary spammer or brute force... don't think it will matter. Also, you'll be contending with lag and variable server response times. You're going to have to add additional conditional logic to your script to make it work. They'll see it. They'll ban you.
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
If you try brute forcing them, however, expect the banhammer to hit you in the face.

Explain why I haven't been banned for doing this?

Probably because you are lying. You don't think they would see several million failed requests hitting the db per hour on one can?

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Khorkrak
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-09-05 20:29:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Khorkrak
When did I ever mention doing this via automation or scripting? Lets see never. This is purely flying up to an object in space that requires some sort of code to access its contents and then entering possible codes in by hand in the hopes that the owner foolishly used a predictable one.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-09-05 20:31:59 UTC
Khorkrak wrote:
Read through the EULA and I'm still unclear on whether it's permissible to hack into secure containers via brute force key guessing - same goes for guessing the code for POS shields. Is it valid game play to say enter a few common passwords and if your target was stupid enough to use one and you break in then it's OK to steal the loot or is that a EULA violation?


No that's more than fine.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#18 - 2012-09-05 21:04:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
Khorkrak wrote:
When did I ever mention doing this via automation or scripting? Lets see never. This is purely flying up to an object in space that requires some sort of code to access its contents and then entering possible codes in by hand in the hopes that the owner foolishly used a predictable one.

That's not what the OP was implying. That's not a brute force attack... a brute force attack means you are checking every possible combination of characters... which implys a script or automation of some sort. If you are just guessing at passwords yah there's nothing wrong with that at all.

Before cans were removed after 30 days I used to hit the highsec belts and check cans... some didn't have passwords at all... and the password "password" actually worked for me a number of times. Also the password "letmein", "open", "pass"

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-09-05 21:08:40 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
If you try brute forcing them, however, expect the banhammer to hit you in the face.


Explain why I haven't been banned for doing this?



Because your definition of brute force is evidently comparable to cutting down the mightiest tree in the forest with a herring.

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Khorkrak
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2012-09-05 21:12:12 UTC
Point taken regarding my mentioning brute force - as in exhaustive search - which of course is impossible to do manually. I should have instead said guessing using a fairly small set of well known commonly used passwords. Obviously this would get rather tedious after a while.

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