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NULL whiners mantra is getting tedious... and CSM lacks HI SEC representation

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#901 - 2012-09-05 13:20:05 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
The ones where you claim HI SEC is well represented by a bunch of NUL/LO/WH CSMs that populate CSM7, or the group of CSM6ers, etc to the original CSM1
…and I made that claim, where, exactly? My claim is that highsec doesn't particularly need special representation (and I've yet to see a good case being made for an issue where such representation is required).

As for actual representation on the CSM, highsec is represented in CSM7; CSM5 was shock-full of them


Sounds like we need some of those good old days back then for some more balanced representation. Past year of CSM dominated NULL SEC CSMs in my eyes appeared to be punctuated by a scandle & a riotAttention


Can you think of some benefit to hisec that came out of CSM 5?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#902 - 2012-09-05 13:23:49 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Sounds like we need some of those good old days back then for some more balanced representation.
For one, we already have that representation, reused since the good old days.
For another, the representation of old didn't produce much in the way of results — in fact, some of them were rather disastrous due to the limited perspective they had to offer. What they did produce rather seems to indicate that highsec as a region doesn't have any issues that need special representation.

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Past year of CSM dominated NULL SEC CSMs in my eyes appeared to be punctuated by a scandle & a riotAttention
…and the question remains: what highsec issues were left by the wayside?
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#903 - 2012-09-05 13:23:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Lord Zim wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
They may understand it better but they do not represent it better without representation of some peers they're just a bunch of space rich NULL SECersI wouldn't trust any farther then I could throw.

You can't represent something you don't understand.



They understand it enough they've been playing it for a year and they represent it better because they are in the HI SEC trenches not space rich bittervets
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#904 - 2012-09-05 13:27:09 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
They understand it enough they've been playing it for a year and they represent it better because they are in the HI SEC trenches not fat space rich bittervets

So what you want is Ankhesentapemkah, then?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#905 - 2012-09-05 13:29:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Sounds like we need some of those good old days back then for some more balanced representation.
For one, we already have that representation, reused since the good old days.
For another, the representation of old didn't produce much in the way of results — in fact, some of them were rather disastrous due to the limited perspective they had to offer. What they did produce rather seems to indicate that highsec as a region doesn't have any issues that need special representation.




This CSM7 results: we got the UI which we were told by the CSM before hand would be filled with awesomesause and CSM7's head booted before he could even sit down for office.

CSM6 results we got Jita riots & at the tailend a scandle.

What big misjustice did CSM 5 bring forth?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#906 - 2012-09-05 13:30:15 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
What big misjustice did CSM 5 bring forth?

Ankhesentapemkah.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#907 - 2012-09-05 13:30:30 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
They understand it enough they've been playing it for a year and they represent it better because they are in the HI SEC trenches not fat space rich bittervets

So what you want is Ankhesentapemkah, then?

No, what would be a nice counter-balance is someone who was engaged and motivated and interested in a Hi-Sec that wasn't nefed into the ground.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#908 - 2012-09-05 13:35:17 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
No, what would be a nice counter-balance is someone who was engaged and motivated and interested in a Hi-Sec that wasn't nefed into the ground.

Where has a current CSM rep said he wanted "hisec nerfed into the ground"?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#909 - 2012-09-05 13:36:18 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
They understand it enough they've been playing it for a year and they represent it better because they are in the HI SEC trenches not fat space rich bittervets

So what you want is Ankhesentapemkah, then?

No, what would be a nice counter-balance is someone who was engaged and motivated and interested in a Hi-Sec that wasn't nefed into the ground.



Isn't Keldruum doing it for you?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#910 - 2012-09-05 13:40:04 UTC
Quote:
JUPITER AND THE FROGS

While the frogs were hopping about in the freedom of their pond they began shouting to Jupiter that they wanted a king who could hold their dissolute habits in check. Jupiter laughed and bestowed on the frogs a small piece of wood which he dropped all of a sudden into their pond. As the wood splashed lightly into the water, it terrified the timid frogs. They plunged into the mud and hid there a long time until one frog happened to raise her head cautiously up out of the water. After studying the king, she summoned the other frogs. Putting aside their fear, the frogs all raced over and began jumping on the piece of wood, rudely making fun of it. When the frogs had showered their king with shame and scorn, they asked Jupiter to send them another one. Jupiter was angry that they had made fun of the king he had given them, so he sent them a water-snake, who killed the frogs one by one with her piercing sting. As the water-snake was happily eating her fill, the useless creatures ran away, speechless in their fright. They secretly sent a message to Jupiter through Mercury, begging him to put a stop to the slaughter but Jupiter replied, 'Since you rejected what was good in order to get something bad, you better put up with it - or else something even worse might happen!'



Hope this story helps explain stuff.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#911 - 2012-09-05 13:40:06 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
They understand it enough they've been playing it for a year and they represent it better because they are in the HI SEC trenches not fat space rich bittervets

So what you want is Ankhesentapemkah, then?

No, what would be a nice counter-balance is someone who was engaged and motivated and interested in a Hi-Sec that wasn't nefed into the ground.

Isn't Keldruum doing it for you?

Or Meissa Anunthiel?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#912 - 2012-09-05 13:41:33 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
They understand it enough they've been playing it for a year and they represent it better because they are in the HI SEC trenches not fat space rich bittervets

So what you want is Ankhesentapemkah, then?

No, what would be a nice counter-balance is someone who was engaged and motivated and interested in a Hi-Sec that wasn't nefed into the ground.

Isn't Keldruum doing it for you?

Or Meissa Anunthiel?

Or Issler Dainze?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#913 - 2012-09-05 13:41:39 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
No, what would be a nice counter-balance is someone who was engaged and motivated and interested in a Hi-Sec that wasn't nefed into the ground.

Where has a current CSM rep said he wanted "hisec nerfed into the ground"?


Basically the page in the CSM7 minutes where they all cheered on the breaking of Incursions announced by CCP Soundwave in the discussion during the NULL SECTION .
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#914 - 2012-09-05 13:42:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DarthNefarius wrote:
This CSM7 results: we got the UI which we were told by the CSM before hand would be filled with awesomesause and CSM7's head booted before he could even sit down for office.
…and only one meeting so far, which as people have been pointing out created some very prompt response. What they do will only really be visible next year.

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CSM6 results we got Jita riots & at the tailend a scandle.
…neither of which had anything to do with CSM6. In fact, if anything, the riots were caused by CSM5s inability to get the message across to CCP a year earlier (granted, they tried… but failed because they didn't have the agency of CSM6). The scandal was the start of CSM7, by the way. CSM6, in turn, gave us little things, ship rebalancing, and space value adjustments that have pretty greatly benefited highsec.

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What big misjustice did CSM 5 bring forth?
A highsec rep being tossed out for breaching the NDA and Incarna…

Quote:
Basically the page in the CSM7 minutes where they all cheered on the breaking of Incursions announced by CCP Soundwave in the discussion during the NULL SECTION .
…showing that it's not a highsec issue and had nothing to do with “nerfing highsec into the ground”. Now if you want to talk unrepresentative, equating incursions to highsec is a prime example.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#915 - 2012-09-05 13:42:43 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Isn't Keldruum doing it for you?

Or Meissa Anunthiel?

Or Issler Dainze?

Not if there is room for J315!

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#916 - 2012-09-05 13:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
This CSM7 results: we got the UI which we were told by the CSM before hand would be filled with awesomesause and CSM7's head booted before he could even sit down for office.
…and only one meeting so far, which as people have been pointing out created some very prompt response. What they do will only really be visible next year.

Quote:
CSM6 results we got Jita riots & at the tailend a scandle.
…neither of which had anything to do with CSM6. In fact, if anything, the riots were caused by CSM5s inability to get the message across to CCP a year earlier (granted, they tried… but failed because they didn't have the agency of CSM6). The scandal was the start of CSM7, by the way. CSM6, in turn, gave us little things, ship rebalancing, and space value adjustments that have pretty greatly benefited highsec.

Quote:
What big misjustice did CSM 5 bring forth?
A highsec rep being tossed out for breaching the NDA and Incarna…

Quote:
Basically the page in the CSM7 minutes where they all cheered on the breaking of Incursions announced by CCP Soundwave in the discussion during the NULL SECTION .
…showing that it's not a highsec issue and had nothing to do with “nerfing highsec into the ground”. Now if you want to talk unrepresentative, equating incursions to highsec is a prime example.


How canyou say the Mittens scandle wasn't part of CSM6 it actually engulfed both CSM 6&7...
Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one unmitigated disaster after another.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#917 - 2012-09-05 13:45:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
DarthNefarius wrote:
Basically the page in the CSM7 minutes where they all cheered on the breaking of Incursions announced by CCP Soundwave in the discussion during the NULL SECTION .

Ah yes, the uncontrollable and easily farmable isk faucet. How dare the CSM cheer on a nerf of that. The audacity. It's almost as if they might want the game to be better, instead of absolute ****.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#918 - 2012-09-05 13:47:06 UTC
What's next, people bitching and whining about the CSM not protecting the FW farmville mechanics as well?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#919 - 2012-09-05 13:49:54 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
What's next, people bitching and whining about the CSM not protecting the FW farmville mechanics as well?


Actually I'd like to whine about CSM 6 not preventing or trying to reverse the NULL anom nerf which caused the flood of NULL into HI SEC Incursions which soiled my space with thier mass of unwashed bodies
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#920 - 2012-09-05 13:59:22 UTC
This thread is still going on?

Listen. The only one whining about anything is you, whining about highsec representation. Your arguments are the worst popular tripe, rife with shifting goalposts, and your logic has holes in it I could drive a semi truck through.

I'm tired of you whining about highsec has no representation, when the highsec representatives that have been put forward have looked like absolute nut-jobs, that make 9/11 truthers seem like fair and balanced individuals. If a highsec candidate that didn't act like an absolute schizo or an unhinged conspiracy theorist, came forward, I'd vote for them. That being said you are definitely out of the running.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin