EVE General Discussion

Please provide citation where the NPE stats indicate that the new players are leaving right after they enter CQ and before they undock.



EDIT: Pardon the intrusion, just had to edit that quote - ISD Type40.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63099/1/00_tutorial_quit_graph.png

Notice the big spike after CQ and prior to skill queueing, then a second big spike right before the pilot certification course.



EDIT: Again, pardon the intrusion, just editing a quote - ISD Type40.

Yeah, right by the Barbie Princess costumes.

Oh that, you are looking too much into it. It could be that the new player just went through a long process of getting started. Then spent a good chunk deciding a character name, race, bloodline, customizing the avatar and etc. Then they got into the CQ and got done with that part so at this point, like maybe 2 hours in including the time spent installing/patching/signing up it is just a natural spot to "have a break" to go do something before they continue with the space segment at a later time.

This is from the devblog
"As you can see, the current tutorial string has some good spots (most notably fitting and the bit where you're blowing things up), and some bad spots (most notably the bit right at the very start where we try to teach the skill queue before you've even undocked). Data like this gave us a pretty good sense of where our trouble spots lay."

The purpose of the NPE is to help ease players into the complexities of EVE, and where avatars and CQ fit in that I just don't see. Hell, they'd be better off watching videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdoR7mhyWe8&feature=related. Also is it so absurd to assume that the new player is more interested in finding out how things work in EVE than be "gee I really don't feel connected to my character's avatar". You may be projecting too much of your own experience into your idealization of the "new player".


EDIT: Just had to edit one of those quotes - ISD Type40.

Still useless feature and no amount of emote,pink shirts and forum drama will fix that.

Kill this thread it is turning in a pile of ....

Here's the source:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73075

And they clearly speak of people who left the game without even finishing the tutorial.

Actually what I remember was:
We would be able to set up establishments.
In these establishments would be socializing, gambling, games like Slay, and the selling and buying of contraband items.
Now lets say you put these contraband items in your ship and undocked. At the moment the NPCs might catch you. CCP wanted to turn that over to the players. They could scan your ship, and upon seeing contraband, give you the option of paying a "fine" or having your ship marked as Criminal, Free for All to Shoot.

You may ask why buying contraband would require walking as part of the game mechanic. Its for the same reason as our ships must first warp to a gate before jumping: Time. The time between buying the contraband and being able to undock gives time for others to get ready for you. For example, your "friendly" supplier can inform his friends in space that you are coming. The fact you cannot undock immediately gives them time to get into position.

Another reason to have buying of contraband occur with avatars is so other players in the establishment where you made the transaction can observe it, perhaps with devices they previously planted in the area. Devices you could find if you have the right skills and devices. To have this cat and mouse game of catching illegal acts, we need a game space for it to occur in.

There is also one reason to have just socializing areas before any meaningful gameplay: seeing if multi-avatar areas can be rendered on all the different hardware we players use. This is the heat and hardware issue. If we get multiple avatars on the screen at once, what works? What breaks? We want it to work before we get meaningful gameplay, and that means testing. Sisi does not cover sufficient people, we need it on TQ.

Like what?


Again, we're all on board with knifing each other in the corridors, exploring things, and other examples of consequential gameplay.

No you see new players don't want things to do, they just want other players to be in the same gameplay-vacuum establishment as themselves so they can text chat to each other whilst trying on monocles and drinking pretend-beer.

Games don't need gameplay, that's just silly.

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