EVE General Discussion

And again I wonder why people hate g00ns or Test ;)

Anyway: I foud out about the mechanic used I I personally findthat rather elaborate and had required someone to think a bit about how to do it, so I don't have such a big problem with it as it requires quite a bit of work to setup the whole thing I doubt all of Empire will do that now.

My impression.

1) When the Privateer Alliance are NOT exploiting (at no point was what they were doing classed as an exploit by CCP) - CCP step in and change the rules specificaly to nerf them.

2) When the E-Uni ARE exploiting. As their attempt to avoid war were classed as an exploit up until the GMs announcement earlier this week - CCP not only do not step in to change the rules, they throw up their hands and legalise the exploit!!!!

You couldnt make it up!



2007-2008 Privateer alliance, a ragtag mish mash of mercs, reformed pirates, bored vets, noobs, and drifters wardec hundereds of the self proclaimed "powerbloc" alliances to test the mettle of their "leet pvpers".

With a few exceptions, the 0.0 leet alliance are found to be woeful and they die in droves, their mouths agape in astonishment as they find their pod floating in space - as a unruly bunch of renegades wipe the floor with their comrades.

The majority of the 0.0 alliances proved so easy to defeat, Privateers decided to up the challenge and dec all of them.... at once. And everyone else as well. The tears from the 0.0ers flodded the forums. At the time you would generaly have 5 Privatter posts on the front page of the forums with 0.0ers whining.

CCP steps in.

And the infamous Alliance P nerf hits tranquality. The only alliance (at the time) to have CCP step in specificaly with a change of game mechanics designed to destroy the alliance. A nerf actualy NAMED after the alliance (and hurridley changed into Alliance X when people pointed out the DeV had forgotten to edit it out).

The first major dump in the sandbox. A seminal moment in the decline of EvE into the sorry state it is today where the game actualy has a countdown to "ship spinning" as an advertising boast.

At the time, I, and many many others told CCP that the nerf was going to open a HUGE can of worms. They did not listen. They were fearless even back then you see.

And so it was proven, over the following years we have had constant abuses of the system. Some clamped down on (Imune alliance) and some not. Thousands of petitions for the GMs to deal with. Loopholes being shut opening new ones up. So much frustration on the part of the players and the Staff dealing with the issue.

Luckily we are getting scary vampires and can play with 12 year old hyper head shotting kiddies soon so it will be all worth while!

TLDR

+ 1 Feel like a chump that DESPITE all the constant CCP let downs over years of play, I was starting to have a glimer of hope in CCP with the latest dev blogs.... And then this.

People don't like eve-uni because of how cocky they are, they make noobs wait a month in a queue to join with the possibility of a flat out rejection. Sometimes I'll lurk in the E-Uni channel and just this month there were dozens of complaints and apparent rejections. They told them "lol, not our loss, we get 50 aps a day" I, at least was like >.> ...wtf...

So hearing about favoritism EVE-Uni receives from CCP kind of rubs me the wrong way to even though I have no interest in their wars or policies. It's not like they really do anything but empire pvp.. so ... I mean there aren't real classes that could possibly consist of any value that meet in space besides pvp.... they're really just a large RP empire blob corp

Why you would want to roleplay as a student or teacher? Maybe you never went to college? Maybe unrequited love for you 6th grade teacher.. I dunno. Maybe they were bullied

With or without sarcasm, it's a win-win.

Please, please do it. I will even help you run it.

The sooner people learn why we are "whining" the better.

This isn't a change to help noobs avoid wardecs, it is a unilateral change allowing anyone to avoid any wardec.

This includes 0.0 alliances who can now create alt corps for logistics, and keep them immune from AD0PT / whoever.

Pro change, CCP.

What they're doing is actually considered a valid buisness practice in some countries in RL.

Japan, for example, builds giant corporate alliances called keiretsu; they pool resources to defend against hostile takeovers and minimize economic risk. Each member company owns small shares in the others, so if one company is threatened with a takeover, the keiretsu as a whole is sufficiently placed to block the attempt.

A 19-corp decshield is just such a strategy -- protect your assets with a 'united front', so that a wardec on one is unwise.

I didn't know jack squat about Eve-U before this thread. Now I have respect for the concept. It's a player-drive solution against this sort if thing.

Yay for the ignore functionality. I no longer see Tom Gerrard threads or Xenuria...add one more to the list...

I'm going to ignore the rabble thus far to say that the high sec war declaration mechanics are in desperate need of an overhaul. War declaration "immunity" by forcing war declarations to be prohibitively expensive is one of those things that makes the need more urgent. As it stands, there is no real way to win a war, which limits their value to creating an involuntary sustained PVP environment. War declaration avoidance removes the one value War Declarations have in high security space.

I'm not going to bash EVE University for taking advantage of it, because lets be honest; it would be stupid of them not to. However, the problem really does need to be fixed with a good, well thought out game design solution, and it needs to be done sooner rather than later. This problem was supposed to be addressed two years ago, to no avail.