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NULL whiners mantra is getting tedious... and CSM lacks HI SEC representation

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Mal Ishos
Steecey's Industries
#401 - 2012-09-02 15:55:21 UTC
ITT: People think the CSM matters.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#402 - 2012-09-02 15:59:23 UTC
then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#403 - 2012-09-02 16:01:24 UTC
serras bang wrote:
then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks.


Many have tried and just about all have failed. Turns out, Null and low sec players know more of the game and voters like that.
Mal Ishos
Steecey's Industries
#404 - 2012-09-02 16:07:15 UTC
serras bang wrote:
then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks.


Didn't Eve University put a candidate on the CSM? Did he turn out to be completely ineffectual? Should we be surprised?
Xorth Adimus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#405 - 2012-09-02 16:36:49 UTC
You seem to forget that the majority of people in 0.0 have at least 2 alts in high sec for trade science and logistics. Others engage in incursions and FW.

I'd guess at least 40% of the people in highsec are alts of null secers.

In the end 0.0 is the end game activity in eve so (unless you quit before then) that's where you will likely end up because lets face it... Hisec activities are terribly boring long term.. plus null sec drive the highsec player economy, so you should have a vested interest in keeping them playing ..sorry..

Null sec people do actually engage in thru high sec activites.. that's when hi sec bears really get upset .. (including in this greifer war dec bears who get their pimped out T3s killed by a real PVPers..and oh how the tears are all the sweeter from them).
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#406 - 2012-09-02 16:57:59 UTC
Mal Ishos wrote:
serras bang wrote:
then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks.


Didn't Eve University put a candidate on the CSM? Did he turn out to be completely ineffectual? Should we be surprised?


From what I've read EVE UNI isn't a carebear organization its more of a trainning ground/pet for NULL alliancess recruiting.
They seem to bemore of anorganization for pushing peeps into NULL . They have footholds in every sec space except in WH's don't they ?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#407 - 2012-09-02 17:46:29 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Mal Ishos wrote:
serras bang wrote:
then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks.


Didn't Eve University put a candidate on the CSM? Did he turn out to be completely ineffectual? Should we be surprised?


From what I've read EVE UNI isn't a carebear organization its more of a school for spais


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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#408 - 2012-09-02 18:29:12 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Mal Ishos wrote:
serras bang wrote:
then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks.


Didn't Eve University put a candidate on the CSM? Did he turn out to be completely ineffectual? Should we be surprised?


From what I've read EVE UNI isn't a carebear organization its more of a trainning ground/pet for NULL alliancess recruiting.
They seem to bemore of anorganization for pushing peeps into NULL . They have footholds in every sec space except in WH's don't they ?

That might be because noobs come out of EVE University with a clue, and when you get a clue you decide you're probably best off leaving highsec. For most people that means nullsec.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#409 - 2012-09-02 19:26:07 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
The CSM has been around for 6 years now; that is over half the life of the game. It is advertised and talked about in so many different places, at so many different levels and by such a plethora of people, that ignorance of its existence is almost unfathomable.

Almost as unfathomable as not knowing the CSM has only been around for 4 years... Roll
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- May 24, 2008: The first CSM meeting online



Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:


Maybe you require re-education as well.Lol



My level of education is not in question.

"The CSM has been around for over 6 years now".

it's still only been four years...
DarthNefarius wrote:
From what I've read EVE UNI isn't a carebear organization its more of a trainning ground/pet for NULL alliancess recruiting.

You sir, are an idiot.

Your statement is so pants-on-head stupid that is all the answer you deserve.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Frying Doom
#410 - 2012-09-02 21:34:43 UTC
Xorth Adimus wrote:
You seem to forget that the majority of people in 0.0 have at least 2 alts in high sec for trade science and logistics. Others engage in incursions and FW.

I'd guess at least 40% of the people in highsec are alts of null secers.

In the end 0.0 is the end game activity in eve so (unless you quit before then) that's where you will likely end up because lets face it... Hisec activities are terribly boring long term.. plus null sec drive the highsec player economy, so you should have a vested interest in keeping them playing ..sorry..

Null sec people do actually engage in thru high sec activites.. that's when hi sec bears really get upset .. (including in this greifer war dec bears who get their pimped out T3s killed by a real PVPers..and oh how the tears are all the sweeter from them).

And I would guess your guess is completely wrong. Considering pictures shown on this forum with miners with 20 accounts running.

Although Null sec people claim that the majority of the accounts in eve or just hi-sec alts are null sec based the figures don't really add up, if you are talking separate account alts then not enough people voted. If you are a Null secer but actually spend most of your time mission running in hi-sec then sorry you Null character is actually the at no matter who you voted for, you are generating bounties and driving the economy in Hi-sec not in Null.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#411 - 2012-09-02 21:42:12 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Media blitz everywhere? Funny it wasn't in my morning paper just some eve and gaming sites that a lot of people seem to make fun of. I didn't get that evemail myself so not sure what that one is.

Now you're just being obtuse.

Frying Doom wrote:
The CCP email, I honestly cannot remember what that said ATM I am flooded with Dust ones.

Subject: EVE Online - CSM Election Information Newsletter
Date: 16.03.2011 02:00

YOUR VOTE IS YOUR CHOICE - USE IT!
Tens of thousands of players have already cast their votes. They have selected the candidates they feel will best represent their interests and their desires for EVE Online. Are you one of them?

What Is The CSM?
The CSM is a council of nine player representatives that are democratically elected by the EVE community. Their purpose is to represent player interests to CCP, focusing on the "greatest good for the greater player base." The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE Online, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. While the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. More on the CSM can be found here.

A Brief History of the CSM (by the 5th CSM)

Who Is Currently Running?
Over 50 candidates have their hats in the ring this election, representing 35 different alliances and a dozen real life countries. CCP Diagoras' Candidate Listing Blog has a complete breakdown on the demographics for those interested in the finer details.

DevBlog: Candidate Listing for the 6th CSM Elections

So Many Choices! How Do I Decide?
Voters can review the candidate roster in the CSM section of EVEOnline.com. The roster is complete with a personally crafted message by each one, as well as any additional links and information they wish to relay.

Additionally, a website run by current CSM member, Diedra Vaal, has created a Vote Match page that uses a small questionnaire to aid in matching you with the candidates that best support your views. Vote Match also allows you to see where each candidate stands on dozens of hot topics and pressing issues in EVE Online.

Who Can Vote?
Any member of the EVE community with an active account that is older than 30 days may vote in the election.

Would You Like To Know More?
EVE FORUMS - Visit the Jita park Speakers Corner for current threads and discussions with the current candidates.

TWITTER - #csm6 #csmvi and #rocthevote all offer up to the minute active discussions on the current election.

Frying Doom wrote:
So we are still back to the fact they need educating and that 1/3 of 1% is pathetic amount to get onto the CSM.

Nope. They're already educated.

Even with all this, and I didn't remember this email as I did not receive it. So thanks for that I must make a copy.

Just some of the answers on this forum by the more educated people(via reading the forums) have no idea about the CSM, we have heard the usual "CSM is for Null sec", "CSM has no influence", the fact that the enlightened people do not know how long the CSM has been around and some people who still seem to think we are on CSM6.

And this is the educated forum users, so you cannot tell me you expect those pople who do not use the forums to be more educated.

Education is needed and as I have said before the only people who would not want this are those people in small interest groups who benefit from the masses living in the dark.

Education is everybody's right and it needs to be insured that everyone from casual to hardcore gamer is educated on a matter as important as the CSM.

A seat costing 1/3 of 1% of the populous is not a player representative, it is merely someone who scammed a few votes.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#412 - 2012-09-02 21:43:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
serras bang wrote:
then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks.


Many have tried and just about all have failed. Turns out, Null and low sec players know more of the game and voters like that.


i know quite a bit of players that know quite a bit about null but preferr high sec due to work and not haveing the time or dont care or cant be botherd with the politics or the harasment or the constant pvp ect ect the list gose on of null sec.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#413 - 2012-09-02 21:44:02 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Education is everybody's right and it needs to be insured that everyone from casual to hardcore gamer is educated on a matter as important as the CSM.

They are educated.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#414 - 2012-09-02 21:44:12 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Where the hell do you get elected on 0.36% of the populous?

Please be aware I am not criticizing the current CSM with this thread this is the current voting system and the pathetic percentage of votes required to get a seat on the CSM.


Probably the same countries where you can have more votes than your opponent and still lose. Some countries have weighted voting so that more populous areas don't wield excess political influence based on their population, less populated areas have more political influence per head than the populated ones. (vastly simplified for easy consumption & because I was gently trolling you)

At least one major world power does this.

I have no objection to trolls, I find it an interesting part time career.Smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#415 - 2012-09-02 21:44:51 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Education is everybody's right and it needs to be insured that everyone from casual to hardcore gamer is educated on a matter as important as the CSM.

They are educated.

Maybe you should read these posts and tell me how educated they are.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#416 - 2012-09-02 21:47:22 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Education is everybody's right and it needs to be insured that everyone from casual to hardcore gamer is educated on a matter as important as the CSM.

They are educated.

Maybe you should read these posts and tell me how educated they are.

With the amount of avenues with which CCP is sending out information, they're either educated, or they've spent so much energy into not becoming educated that there's no way they'll give a flying **** even if you did get Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick them to the face until they knew precisely what the CSM was.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#417 - 2012-09-02 21:47:28 UTC
serras bang wrote:
then all we need is a "carebeer" to run for csm thought about it but i dunno if a hi sec mission runner would ever get enough votes maybe ill try it for kicks.

Hell try, honestly it isn't that hard with the bar currently set so low.

Hopefully this will be fixed but probably not so try away Smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#418 - 2012-09-02 21:49:53 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Education is everybody's right and it needs to be insured that everyone from casual to hardcore gamer is educated on a matter as important as the CSM.

They are educated.

Maybe you should read these posts and tell me how educated they are.

With the amount of avenues with which CCP is sending out information, they're either educated, or they've spent so much energy into not becoming educated that there's no way they'll give a flying **** even if you did get Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick them to the face until they knew precisely what the CSM was.

You sound like a school teacher, we tried to educate them, but it didn't work so we gave up.

As I have said over and over, trying to educate the masses does no harm to anyone but small interest groups.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#419 - 2012-09-02 21:51:54 UTC
Mal Ishos wrote:
ITT: People think the CSM matters.

^^ Case in point. Maybe we can get the CSM to suggest peasant tags for the mindless drones who do not vote.

J/K but then again.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#420 - 2012-09-02 21:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Frying Doom wrote:
If you are a Null secer but actually spend most of your time mission running in hi-sec then sorry you Null character is actually the at no matter who you voted for, you are generating bounties and driving the economy in Hi-sec not in Null.
…and where you generate bounties and drive the economy isn't particularly relevant to what artificial segment you feel you belong to. If you are a null seccer, you are a null seccer, even if you spend a lot of time in highsec simply because you have a better view of the breadth of issues and will recognise the candidates that can represent them. Hell, I'm a highseccer, and I vote nullsec because no “highsec rep” could ever make any kind of sane or sensible contribution to the debate because they're too clueless about the overall game.

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Just some of the answers on this forum by the more educated people(via reading the forums) have no idea about the CSM, we have heard the usual "CSM is for Null sec", "CSM has no influence", the fact that the enlightened people do not know how long the CSM has been around and some people who still seem to think we are on CSM6.

And this is the educated forum users
…who have decided not to care, just like the voters that didn't vote. They are educated to the extent they want to be, and trying to force more on them will not make then want it any more.

Oh, and the fundamental question remains: what's the problem with the current representation?

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Case in point
Yes. It's an excellent example of someone who has educated themselves and come to the conclusion that they don't care and that they have no interest in voting. For most games, the people in that category — the ones who just go along and choose not to engage in any way with any kind of forums or official business — tend to amount to somewhere in the region of 90%. EVE has massive engagement among its players in comparison.