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NULL whiners mantra is getting tedious... and CSM lacks HI SEC representation

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Frying Doom
#321 - 2012-09-02 10:30:13 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

Frying Doom wrote:
Oh and giving us a representative CSM Lol

What's disrepresentative of the last two CSMs?

We don't know, that is the problem, with only 1/6th of the population voting we really have no idea what a representative CSM looks like we can guess but we can not know.

Hell the other 80% might want an all Null sec CSM, we do not know because they need educating.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#322 - 2012-09-02 10:32:44 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Some EvE players may not be aware that they have a responsibility and as this is one of the few games where the forums are a part of the games I believe that slack should be given and the players educated.


In almost every online game I've played it's made sense to read the related forum.


I have read a lot of the help forums in a lot of games but generally not the whole forum

admiral root wrote:
Quote:
After all do not governments around the world educate their populous to the dangers of things like smoking


And they're quite happy for everyone to ignore this and continue giving them huge amounts of tax revenue. Your point?

They may tax you, in Australia I believe we are now over 500% tax, but we are educated more as we are taxed more.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#323 - 2012-09-02 10:33:52 UTC
Actually, since you seem to think you've got your finger on the pulse, what makes you think the CSM banner ad is so ineffectual, whereas the RvB banner did this?

http://jestertrek.blogspot.no/2012/03/week-in-life-red-vs-blue.html

Looks to me like the banner ads do work in capturing the attention of people who log in, and by inference the playerbase is informed of the CSM, they just don't give a ****.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#324 - 2012-09-02 10:34:17 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I do agree with his signature though...

EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...


This is just ******* bullshit.
I have a few pilots, and for EACH pilot I have in NULL sec, I have 1.5 pilots in HighSec. I also have a pilot that jump between high and low sec.

So, if you run a poll, and see how many of the NULL sec players have as many pilots in high sec as in LOW sec, you will find that most have more in high than in NULL. Then, ask how they define themselves, and they will say NULL sec players.


High Sec bring NOTHING to the game, except support to NULL sec.





Give Player Owned stations sales tax that goes to station owner, and is adjustable based on standings.
Give Player Owned stations PG and CPU so they can install POS assembly arrays to boost industry.
Increase sales tax in High sec to 5%
Frying Doom
#325 - 2012-09-02 10:39:49 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Actually, since you seem to think you've got your finger on the pulse, what makes you think the CSM banner ad is so ineffectual, whereas the RvB banner did this?

http://jestertrek.blogspot.no/2012/03/week-in-life-red-vs-blue.html

Looks to me like the banner ads do work in capturing the attention of people who log in, and by inference the playerbase is informed of the CSM, they just don't give a ****.

That banner actually says what RVB does. PvP.

The CSM one looked like it was for incursion runners or members of the Stellar Management corp.

The basic fact is to have fair elections we need more of the players to be involved or at least educated, with 1/3 of 1% of the player base being all you need to get on to the CSM it is very pathetic and not really a player representative council.

The only people that benefit from things staying as they are now are the special interest groups. I will not ever say they are power blocks as the biggest of these is only 3% of the accounts.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#326 - 2012-09-02 10:40:36 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that all the hi-sec folk (those stupid folk who do not care about Eve etc) did decide to vote, and voted en masse for a candidate who wanted pvp in hi- sec to be consensual only, would this be acceptable?

Them bein' in the majority an' all.



That'd be fine. One guy out of fourteen can't force the CSM to adopt any position, and even if they could the CSM can't force CCP to betray a core principle.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Frying Doom
#327 - 2012-09-02 10:42:10 UTC
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I do agree with his signature though...

EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...


This is just ******* bullshit.
I have a few pilots, and for EACH pilot I have in NULL sec, I have 1.5 pilots in HighSec. I also have a pilot that jump between high and low sec.

So, if you run a poll, and see how many of the NULL sec players have as many pilots in high sec as in LOW sec, you will find that most have more in high than in NULL. Then, ask how they define themselves, and they will say NULL sec players.

How many alts you have and where they are has nothing to do with that statistic. It was a snapshot so it relates to where the character you were using at the time of the snapshot was.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#328 - 2012-09-02 10:43:50 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
How many alts you have and where they are has nothing to do with that statistic. It was a snapshot so it relates to where the character you were using at the time of the snapshot was.

More than 2/3rds of my chars are in hisec.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#329 - 2012-09-02 10:46:13 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
How many alts you have and where they are has nothing to do with that statistic. It was a snapshot so it relates to where the character you were using at the time of the snapshot was.

More than 2/3rds of my chars are in hisec.

Again depends on who you were on when the snapshot was done.

Mine are only 1/3 Hi-sec.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#330 - 2012-09-02 10:49:31 UTC
"Who you were on"? So you're going to say that the way CCP gathers that statistics is to look at where whoever were online when they did the snapshot was?

I guess they'll just base that statistics on hilariously incorrect data, then, since I'm logged in to my hisec chars a great deal more than I am my nullsec chars. I guess I'll have to update my estimation of the "hisec population" from 75% nullsec alts to 80-90%. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#331 - 2012-09-02 10:52:16 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
"Who you were on"? So you're going to say that the way CCP gathers that statistics is to look at where whoever were online when they did the snapshot was?

I guess they'll just base that statistics on hilariously incorrect data, then, since I'm logged in to my hisec chars a great deal more than I am my nullsec chars. I guess I'll have to update my estimation of the "hisec population" from 75% nullsec alts to 80-90%. vOv

Well they are not your alts, they are what CCP counts as your mains as they were the character you were actively using at the time of the snapshot.

Maybe CCP would take more notice of Null if the null characters were logged in when they took snapshots.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#332 - 2012-09-02 10:52:36 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
How many alts you have and where they are has nothing to do with that statistic

that statistic has nothing to do with how people vote
Frying Doom
#333 - 2012-09-02 10:54:33 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
How many alts you have and where they are has nothing to do with that statistic

that statistic has nothing to do with how people vote

But it does have something to do with the question "What is a Representative CSM?"

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2012-09-02 10:57:47 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Maybe CCP would take more notice of Null if the null characters were logged in when they took snapshots.

Maybe null characters would be logged in more if CCP had fixed null.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#335 - 2012-09-02 10:58:43 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
But it does have something to do with the question "What is a Representative CSM?"

So a "representative CSM" should be representing the minority, then?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#336 - 2012-09-02 11:00:28 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
But it does have something to do with the question "What is a Representative CSM?"

So a "representative CSM" should be representing the minority, then?

No a representative CSM, should be a CSM decided by the majority of the players, as to what that form may be we all have no idea.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#337 - 2012-09-02 11:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
Frying Doom wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
How many alts you have and where they are has nothing to do with that statistic

that statistic has nothing to do with how people vote

But it does have something to do with the question "What is a Representative CSM?"

a representative csm represents the people who voted for it

as you have no idea what players where voted for who (because you have no data) let me help

all my characters were in highsec at the time and I didn't vote for a person 'from' highsec

yeah that's only one person - me

but it's the best indication of who voted for who from where you have so far

so by the data you have (now) the csm is perfectly representative of highsec dwellers

deal with it
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#338 - 2012-09-02 11:03:50 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
No a representative CSM, should be a CSM decided by the majority of the players

And amazingly, it is.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#339 - 2012-09-02 11:04:52 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
No a representative CSM, should be a CSM decided by the majority of the players

And amazingly, it is.

18% is not a Majority.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#340 - 2012-09-02 11:05:24 UTC
Din Chao wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I do agree with his signature though...

EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...

Democracy, working as intended.




Democracy actually working as intended? That's a laugh democracy never works.