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NULL whiners mantra is getting tedious... and CSM lacks HI SEC representation

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Frying Doom
#281 - 2012-09-02 09:12:43 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I have pretty much answered this but it is rather simple once a year force up a blurb with 2 big buttons abstain and vote if they abstain, well they abstained with at least the knowledge of what they abstained about. so about 1 minute interruption once a year at voting time.

Are you sure about that? What about the EULA that says "you must scroll to the bottom to accept". Did you read it? Cause I admittedly did not.

I believe they did a South Park episode about people like you Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#282 - 2012-09-02 09:13:48 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.

Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine.

If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE.

A peasant class which isn't held down by anyone except for themselves.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#283 - 2012-09-02 09:15:11 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I have pretty much answered this but it is rather simple once a year force up a blurb with 2 big buttons abstain and vote if they abstain, well they abstained with at least the knowledge of what they abstained about. so about 1 minute interruption once a year at voting time.

Do you, seriously, assume that a large majority of people will look for anything other than the button which'll get them into the game the quickest?

A lot of them will and then we will have clear statistics as to how many fools play EvE.

At least this way the masses have the ability for easy education and if more actually participate the better for all of us. That and they can hardly use the "but I didn't know excuse"

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Josef Djugashvilis
#284 - 2012-09-02 09:15:44 UTC
Many of the folk I know are fully aware of what the CSM is, but still do not care enough to vote. This is their right.

But when they complain about this or that, I tell them that if they voted , this or that might get fixed.

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#285 - 2012-09-02 09:15:47 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.

Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine.

If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE.




Interesting that you have not responded to the points I made, and also extremely telling that you consider anyone who makes a conscious choice to NOT have anything to do with the forums or the CSM as a "peasant class".

Tell me again about this "missionary" work you are trying to do.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Frying Doom
#286 - 2012-09-02 09:16:18 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.

Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine.

If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE.

A peasant class which isn't held down by anyone except for themselves.

Exactly. Then they have no one to blame but them selves.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#287 - 2012-09-02 09:17:25 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.

Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine.

If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE.




Interesting that you have not responded to the points I made, and also extremely telling that you consider anyone who makes a conscious choice to NOT have anything to do with the forums or the CSM as a "peasant class".

Tell me again about this "missionary" work you are trying to do.

I am an EvE Missionary so take the word of BoB or be beaten to death.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#288 - 2012-09-02 09:18:52 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
A lot of them will and then we will have clear statistics as to how many fools play EvE.

I'd postulate that we do have a clear statistic on "how many fools play eve": the exact number of people who didn't vote.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Josef Djugashvilis
#289 - 2012-09-02 09:19:33 UTC
I consider myself to be one of Lenin's Lumpen Proletariat.

I aspire to be a peasant, preferably one of the Kulak class.

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Frying Doom
#290 - 2012-09-02 09:19:43 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
A lot of them will and then we will have clear statistics as to how many fools play EvE.

I'd postulate that we do have a clear statistic on "how many fools play eve": the exact number of people who didn't vote.

Data is still a little fuzzy to me, I like clear and undeniable fool data.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#291 - 2012-09-02 09:19:45 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.

Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine.

If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE.

A peasant class which isn't held down by anyone except for themselves.

Exactly. Then they have no one to blame but them selves.

This is literally the situation we're in today, and yet they're blaming everyone else but themselves.

What does this tell you?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#292 - 2012-09-02 09:20:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Perhaps I'm too new/too oblivious, but I actually don't know anything about her.


She's anti-PvP, anti-goons, anti-risk, anti-everything-that-makes-Eve-what-it-is. If you'd like further reading, please make sure all your inoculations are up to date and have a look through the Jita park speakers corner sub-forum.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Frying Doom
#293 - 2012-09-02 09:21:10 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I consider myself to be one of Lenin's Lumpen Proletariat.

I aspire to be a peasant, preferably one of the Kulak class.

According to the political theory of Marxism-Leninism of the early 20th century, the kulaks were class enemies of the poorer peasants.[1] Vladimir Lenin described them as "bloodsuckers, vampires, plunderers of the people and profiteers, who fatten on famine.”

Wikipedia always good.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#294 - 2012-09-02 09:21:14 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.

Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine.

If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE.

A peasant class which isn't held down by anyone except for themselves.

Exactly. Then they have no one to blame but them selves.



Which is exactly what everyone has been trying to get you to understand. Well done.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Frying Doom
#295 - 2012-09-02 09:23:27 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:


What does this tell you?

Make sure they are educated in what they are not voting on. Then sneer at the peasants.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#296 - 2012-09-02 09:24:45 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.

Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine.

If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE.

A peasant class which isn't held down by anyone except for themselves.

Exactly. Then they have no one to blame but them selves.



Which is exactly what everyone has been trying to get you to understand. Well done.

You apparently missed the "If after all that they ignore it"

Maybe you require re-education as well.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#297 - 2012-09-02 09:28:59 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Make sure they are educated in what they are not voting on. Then sneer at the peasants.

EVE is a game which is famous for having a steep learning curve, educating yourself is part and parcel of the game. They haven't done so, so I don't see why we should expend even more energy "making sure" before we sneer at the peasantry.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Josef Djugashvilis
#298 - 2012-09-02 09:31:10 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I consider myself to be one of Lenin's Lumpen Proletariat.

I aspire to be a peasant, preferably one of the Kulak class.

According to the political theory of Marxism-Leninism of the early 20th century, the kulaks were class enemies of the poorer peasants.[1] Vladimir Lenin described them as "bloodsuckers, vampires, plunderers of the people and profiteers, who fatten on famine.”

Wikipedia always good.


Given the name of my character, you may safely assume I knew thisSmile

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Frying Doom
#299 - 2012-09-02 09:32:48 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Make sure they are educated in what they are not voting on. Then sneer at the peasants.

EVE is a game which is famous for having a steep learning curve, educating yourself is part and parcel of the game. They haven't done so, so I don't see why we should expend even more energy "making sure" before we sneer at the peasantry.

Give the nature of the CSM I believe it is worth having as much player involvement in the elections as we can get.

At the moment it is too easy for a power block or a lone nutter to get someone elected onto the CSM. This need to be changed and a more representative council needs to come into being.

Note: Poetic Stanziel just release this blog on CSM7
http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/csm7-individual-impressions.html?spref=tw

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#300 - 2012-09-02 09:33:15 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Which is exactly what everyone has been trying to get you to understand. Well done.

You apparently missed the "If after all that they ignore it"

Maybe you require re-education as well.Lol

How is that different from what has already happened?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)