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NULL whiners mantra is getting tedious... and CSM lacks HI SEC representation

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Frying Doom
#101 - 2012-09-01 04:39:17 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been.

So you felt that it was to easy to manipulate the voters to get any kind of candidates into the CSM, so voter reform would be a good thing then as well as having more of EvEs population involved in the voting process.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#102 - 2012-09-01 04:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
James 315 wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way, but there's only one thing I see that would increase highsec's representation in CSM:

For highsec to produce more candidates worth voting for. Idea


Great idea, a hisec candidate that can unite alliances and corps to form a political power bloc would be fantastic.

Unfortunately null is controlled politically by huge alliances that can pull votes out of their arses and rally behind their candidates. In hisec there is no real political power or control, the only CSM member that even comes close to representing hisec is Kelduum Revaan from Eve Uni. There are no common goals in hisec, every corp and alliance is out for themselves politically and there are no power blocs like there are in null.

I'm hisec pubbie scum P and I'll admit to voting for mittens @ the last CSM election, why you may ask? because he ran a good campaign and didn't appear to have his head stuck up his own backside, the drunken debacle at the alliance panel was unfortunate. No matter what people think of the various CSM candidates they have one goal in common, they want Eve to survive as both a game and an example of what a game can become when the makers impose few limitations on what is possible.

TL;DR

We need a hisec candidate that hisec residents can rally behind, one with a manifesto that will appeal to miners, industrialists, mission runners, ninjas and traders alike.

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Ghazu
#103 - 2012-09-01 04:46:03 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been.

So you felt that it was to easy to manipulate the voters to get any kind of candidates into the CSM, so voter reform would be a good thing then as well as having more of EvEs population involved in the voting process.

If it was so easy why would the OP whine while brandishing the signature of a barbie lover like it's holy script or as if he'd witnessed a really profound revelation.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Frying Doom
#104 - 2012-09-01 04:53:46 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been.

So you felt that it was to easy to manipulate the voters to get any kind of candidates into the CSM, so voter reform would be a good thing then as well as having more of EvEs population involved in the voting process.

If it was so easy why would the OP whine while brandishing the signature of a barbie lover like it's holy script or as if he'd witnessed a really profound revelation.


The OPs reasoning I have no idea but when you are dealing with only having to manipulate a few hundred people into voting for someone it really isn't that hard.

That is why more of EvE needs to vote, the current system is very easy to manipulate.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Ghazu
#105 - 2012-09-01 05:05:40 UTC
I don't think there is a way to "force" people to vote, it is up to the candidates to run their campaigns effectively.

I live in null I will always vote null, I would vote for a csm candidate even if the dude was red to my alliance than some hisec dude, simply because we are in the business of destroying each other.

It's just too risky to vote for a hisec dude, who may be hellbent on
making wis into IMVU, then making wis top priority
pvp flags in hisec
pushing for further safety in hisec. example: despite the huge buff on ehp of mining ships dudes are still whining about poo poo i can't fit my crystals in my cargohold. That the devs decisions can take you half way but the other half relies on the players' fitting choices.

This mentality of refusing give-and-take balancing renders most hisec "opinions" irrelevant.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#106 - 2012-09-01 05:05:52 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
There are no common goals in hisec, every corp and alliance is out for themselves politically and there are no power blocs like there are in null.

Maybe someone should step in and help fill that lack of leadership.

I hear that NC. might soon be free of their sov, maybe this is an opportunity they could look into.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#107 - 2012-09-01 05:10:28 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
There are no common goals in hisec, every corp and alliance is out for themselves politically and there are no power blocs like there are in null.

Maybe someone should step in and help fill that lack of leadership.

I hear that NC. might soon be free of their sov, maybe this is an opportunity they could look into.


Oh god yes, but please we don't want NC. you can keep them.

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Ukonius
Freeport Eleven
#108 - 2012-09-01 05:10:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
that face


OP seems to have hit a level of bitter so high that his face has collapsed into itself...



HAHAHAHHA I do agree with OP but this was too good.
Ghazu
#109 - 2012-09-01 05:13:42 UTC
Hisec is the biggest bloc in the game, comprised of risk averse farmers with nothing but making this month's plex in their sights.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#110 - 2012-09-01 05:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ghazu wrote:
Hisec is the biggest bloc in the game, comprised of risk averse farmers with nothing but making this month's plex in their sights.


You're right about the first part we are potentially the biggest bloc in the game, but we're a power bloc that has no cohesion, no common goals and subsequently no political influence.

As for the second part, please don't lump all of us together as risk averse farmers with nothing in mind but next months PLEX, some of us are, some of us aren't.

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Ghazu
#111 - 2012-09-01 05:21:24 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149709&find=unread lol watchagonna do vOv

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Ghazu
#112 - 2012-09-01 05:24:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghazu
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Hisec is the biggest bloc in the game, comprised of risk averse farmers with nothing but making this month's plex in their sights.


You're right about the first part we are potentially the biggest bloc in the game, but we're a power bloc that has no cohesion, no common goals and no political influence.

As for the second part, please don't lump all of us together as risk averse farmers with nothing in mind but this next months PLEX, some of us are, some of us aren't.


Ok, but you guys sure whine about the same things, which is very tangible cohesion, the common goal is more safety less risk. How many times have you guys veto shot-down moving all lvl4s to lowsec.
In fact, there are more dissension in null than there ever was in hisec, ie the titan tracking & supercap drones nerf, so it's not like null is collectively banding up to get you.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#113 - 2012-09-01 05:35:36 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You're right about the first part we are potentially the biggest bloc in the game

I doubt it. As Tippia is so quick to point out, a large share of high-sec characters are likely alts of people who might not vote high-sec. Take me, for instance: I have all six slots on my two accounts, one of which is logged off in a wormhole somewhere and the rest in high-sec, for the moment, and I consider myself (and have voted as) a non-high-sec voter.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#114 - 2012-09-01 05:39:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ghazu wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Hisec is the biggest bloc in the game, comprised of risk averse farmers with nothing but making this month's plex in their sights.


You're right about the first part we are potentially the biggest bloc in the game, but we're a power bloc that has no cohesion, no common goals and no political influence.

As for the second part, please don't lump all of us together as risk averse farmers with nothing in mind but this next months PLEX, some of us are, some of us aren't.


Ok, but you guys sure whine about the same things, which is very tangible cohesion, the common goal is more safety less risk. How many times have you guys veto shot-down moving all lvl4s to lowsec.
In fact, there are more dissension in null than there ever was in hisec, ie the titan tracking & supercap drones nerf, so it's not like null is collectively banding up to get you.


More safety, less risk is bad for the game not to mention boring, if I wanted safety I'd go play Hello Kitty Online. The risk of losing a ship, the contents and your implants are what makes Eve great, the moment that the death penalties disappear in Eve is the moment an awful lot of us leave the game, sure you'd still end up with a shedload of carebears flying around in complete safety but they'd get bored real quick, danger is what make the game interesting.

Personally I ninja WHs and do losec exploration as well as running missions & manufacturing in hisec, if CCP moved all lvl 4 missions to losec you'd get very few people running them, only the adventurous would try (probably in cloaky T3's) and the risk averse will just grind lvl 3's all day, then the cycle would start again until lvl 3's are moved to losec.

When I move my operations in the near future I'll be 11 jumps from null, I may just pop in and see how the big boys do it P, I'll probably get exploded but hey that's half the fun, the other half is returning the favour.

Karl Hobb wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You're right about the first part we are potentially the biggest bloc in the game

I doubt it. As Tippia is so quick to point out, a large share of high-sec characters are likely alts of people who might not vote high-sec. Take me, for instance: I have all six slots on my two accounts, one of which is logged off in a wormhole somewhere and the rest in high-sec, for the moment, and I consider myself (and have voted as) a non-high-sec voter.


You make a good point sir, hence the potentially part, I am well aware that an awful lot of hisec residents are alts of lo and null sec players.

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Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#115 - 2012-09-01 05:51:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Korgan Nailo
I must say, that after reading the CSM Summer 2012 minutes I was quite frustrated.
(https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=139688)

I was really hopping see some abuses of the wardec system go away, but apparently, that is not the interest of CSM (minutes, page 101):
Kelduum then expresses concern about the fact that surrendering grants immunity from a wardec of the same for a period of time, but there's no such period if a war expires by the bill not being paid. Therefore a war can lapse and then be immediately be re-declared. The general consensus amongst those in the room is that this is not a major concern, and isn't likely to be addressed in the immediate future.

I love the idea of the game, the ships, the races, the different rats, ECM, etc. I simply HATE the constant "go to null sec" yadayada.

I then looked into other topics of my personal interest and got really frustrated to see that none of those will actually be improved.

After reading the minutes, my feeling was: "nothing will change", at least, nothing that matters to me, a mere high sec player.

So, yeah, honestly, the whole CSM "idea" right now is a joke. Sad

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#116 - 2012-09-01 06:04:17 UTC
OP, why do you always yell when you say "null?" Or has it been backronym'ed recently and I'd forgotten...Roll

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Too-Boku
Doomheim
#117 - 2012-09-01 06:11:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
There are no common goals in hisec, every corp and alliance is out for themselves politically and there are no power blocs like there are in null.

Maybe someone should step in and help fill that lack of leadership.

I hear that NC. might soon be free of their sov, maybe this is an opportunity they could look into.


James 315 is the hero that high sec needs. Bears: set aside your fear and hatred and get behind The New Order.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#118 - 2012-09-01 06:13:46 UTC
Korgan Nailo wrote:
So, yeah, honestly, the whole CSM "idea" right now is a joke. Sad


If only there was a powerful political leader who forced change like never before..

.

Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#119 - 2012-09-01 06:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
No More Heroes wrote:
Korgan Nailo wrote:
So, yeah, honestly, the whole CSM "idea" right now is a joke. Sad


If only there was a powerful political leader who forced change like never before..

Yeah, assuming it isn't the Mittani of course.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#120 - 2012-09-01 06:25:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I do agree with his signature though...

EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...


Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?



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