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New dev blog: Capital ship balancing

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1741 - 2011-10-12 14:19:59 UTC
Mr Management wrote:
So whats happening to the fighters ?
Right now? Nothing.
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1742 - 2011-10-12 14:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mioelnir
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Pesadel0 wrote:
I hope ccp implements 2 diferent in drone bays in supers carriers 1 for 25 figthers 1 for 25 bombers that would make sense.


Heaven forbid you might have to actually make a decision about what to carry in your dronebay.

It isn't about having to make a choice.

First: Go to Sisi, grab 2 carrier chars. Load the first carrier's drone bay completely full with tyrfing and the other comletely full with malleus. Put at least 1 capital mod and/or some extra fuel into the carriers corphangar. Now undock both, warp to a safe, and swap the bombers between them, so that the first has the malleus and the second the tyrfing. Stopclock the time the carriers can be engaged in space without any weapons available to them.

Then repeat this task inside a pos forcefield. Do not use a corphangar array, since the staging pos is from a different corp in your alliance and you do not have access to it.
Then simulate the corphangar removal proposed in here and do the same again, this time only using one carrier's internal corphangar.

Now simulate a campaign with a forward staging system without station, 2 cyno jumps away from your hangar. Bring 100k m3 of fighters/fighterbombers to the staging system in combat ships fit to that travel through a warzone. Ponder about doing this for more than one supercarrier.

After that, please come back and compare it again to switching rails with blasters on a docked Megathron (don't think that was actually you, but I do not want to make 2 posts about it).

The point that nags with most super pilots about this is not the having to make a choice part, but that inspace fitting mechanics were never designed for switching a million m3 (10 supercarriers) of drones between ops. You simply can't just jettison a few thousand rounds of ammo and everyone is happy again.

This is like 20 pages ago when tons of people argued about mwd supers speed tanking dreads when every player that ever had a super cringed and cried, because there were people discussing the changes needed to be made for their ships and plain obviously had no frackin idea what they are talking about, with the only super they have ever seen up close probably the levi empyrean age put into highsec.
Avisary Rotsuda
Doomheim
#1743 - 2011-10-12 14:24:58 UTC
Hey, had a thought about Titan DDs. What about 3 seperate tiers that are each more powerful, as in T1 would be the DD mentioned in the blog, T2 would be the current, shoot everything DD. And T3 could be the overpowered SmartbombQuestion Just a thought.
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1744 - 2011-10-12 14:26:58 UTC
Avisary Rotsuda wrote:
Hey, had a thought about Titan DDs. What about 3 seperate tiers that are each more powerful, as in T1 would be the DD mentioned in the blog, T2 would be the current, shoot everything DD. And T3 could be the overpowered SmartbombQuestion Just a thought.

Would replace one near-impossible to balance weapon system with 3 near-impossible to balance weapon systems.
How is that improving the overall situation?
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#1745 - 2011-10-12 14:27:43 UTC
I'll just take a moment to remind everyone here that Carriers are NOT DIRECT COMBAT SHIPS

Carriers are vulnerable, weak, slow and provide SUPPORT via Theater C&C and fighter/bomber groups.
Carriers should NEVER be usable as frontline assets.

ok, so its eve, but carriers should still be nothing more than a moving landing strip.

triage... ok I can see the use for that and I'm willing to look the other way, but this whole concept of hard as nails super tank boat totally flys in the face of the traditional role of a carrier and is just plain silly.

If I cant pop it with a wing of SB's fitted with torps then its totally wrong.

repeat, a carrier is a large slow box full of expensive airplanes, fuel and ordinance.
its a goddamn floating bomb

How can you lot over at CCP justify them sitting on the front lines going head to head with ships whose traditional role was killing carriers with little or no effort?

Frankly you guys should eliminate them from the game altogether until you come up with a reasonable role for them to fill and then revamp them to fit it properly
Avisary Rotsuda
Doomheim
#1746 - 2011-10-12 14:28:03 UTC
Hey, I was just throwing the idea out.
Metal Dude
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1747 - 2011-10-12 14:28:03 UTC
Are you people really believe that CCP will listen to anyone other than the goons that make the most noise and have the CCP in their back pocket? Do you actually believe that they will learn from their mistakes and not rush with the nerfs without listening to their paying customers that has spent thousands of dollars on this ****** game over the last nine years and instead make changes to please the goons? Do you believe that the letter form the head moron in CCP about learning from their mistakes is for real? Do you believe that they will address the real problem with EVE, which is the blob, NAPing and the numbers game instead of skill to PVP? If you do, than you are just as dumb as the retards at CCP. I for one learned long, long ago that these monkeys could not balance a game , appreciate their customers, and research and test the features of the game if their lives depended on it. I'm down to one account from the six I had when the game was fun and the way things are going, soon that might be not worth the money either.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#1748 - 2011-10-12 14:29:07 UTC
Karles wrote:
Aase Nord wrote:
Thank you CCP/goons/allies/alts.
Game is F.U.B.A.R

Its time for me to find an other game to spend my money on .

Bye


Please don't leave... What will become nullsec pvp without you around?


There's PvP in nullsec?

Ni.
1Of9
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1749 - 2011-10-12 14:31:55 UTC
Metal Dude wrote:
Are you people really believe that CCP will listen to anyone other than the goons that make the most noise and have the CCP in their back pocket? Do you actually believe that they will learn from their mistakes and not rush with the nerfs without listening to their paying customers that has spent thousands of dollars on this ****** game over the last nine years and instead make changes to please the goons? Do you believe that the letter form the head moron in CCP about learning from their mistakes is for real? Do you believe that they will address the real problem with EVE, which is the blob, NAPing and the numbers game instead of skill to PVP? If you do, than you are just as dumb as the retards at CCP. I for one learned long, long ago that these monkeys could not balance a game , appreciate their customers, and research and test the features of the game if their lives depended on it. I'm down to one account from the six I had when the game was fun and the way things are going, soon that might be not worth the money either.


+1+1+1+1+1+1

i mean, hell ya, word for word my words exactly
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#1750 - 2011-10-12 14:34:11 UTC
Dirk Tungsten wrote:
Evil Celeste wrote:
Dirk Tungsten wrote:
Your still chatting absolute an utter nonscence. No1 is on about solopawnmobiles,adapting is all good an well, mostly super/titans are used with a subcap fleet anyway unless there fail. So maybe you have got your frieghter or Jump frieghter hotdropped 1 too many times, you being fail doesnt mean that the rest of eve an vets have to suffer for it.

You are wrong as usual, if there is subcap fleet fielded with friendly scs, then supercaps dont need to provide any defense vs subcaps by themselves.
That you want to soloblob small roaming gangs with supercarrier, because you have no skills to fight them with subcaps or god forbid, form a fleet and have decent fight with them, its sad thing.

But i know, how dare they to dusturb you while carebearing! They must be crushed! Preferably with 0 chance of fighting back, because you paid 20bil ship for ship.Roll


your quite incredible, Supers/titans as I already state time an time again for just you mr special LOL are already fielded with a subcap fleet unless they are fail. The problem is not quality of subcap fleet supporting them at all. You obviously have no idea about what goes on in 0.0 or your a goon alt ofc bloody minded stubborn stupidity. A structured more elite subcap fleet looking after there supers/titans will be after this patch be no match for a humungo laggfesting blob of whelp canes etc. You fail to see the bigger picture an I have no intention of explaning to you obviousness anymore. Your a lost soul iv accepted that.
Supers/titans will NOT be used for out an out fleet fights, there will NOT be a balanced super cap fight at all. Supers/titans will only be used to counter hotdrop a lesser number of capital targets and bridge, that is all they are going to be affective for after patch. So that in no way balances a super class fight at all as CCP are intending.


I'm sorry, but could you repeat that in something approximating English?

Actually, on second thought, don't. Just contract your stuffs to me, and then biomass.

Ni.
1Of9
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1751 - 2011-10-12 14:35:38 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
In all seriousness, i careless about the changes, buff, nerf.. screw it.

What i DO care about, is how strongly biased this game is towards goons.

It's amazing how goons fart and ccp rushes to smell it in, and how ccp "proudly" shows they favoritism towards goons.

for all i care, ccp could be 100% made of goons and love them to death, but in no occasion should show favoritism as they currently do.

That's what i care about.

And if ur a goon reading this, specially the mitanus dude, *snip*


Edit:
Profanity removed, CCP Phantom.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1752 - 2011-10-12 14:36:30 UTC
Metal Dude wrote:
Are you people really believe that CCP will listen to anyone other than the goons that make the most noise and have the CCP in their back pocket?
Want to buy a tinfoil hat? Cheap and in bulk?
Quote:
Do you actually believe that they will learn from their mistakes and not rush with the nerfs without listening to their paying customers
Fun fact: they are.
fanaka
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1753 - 2011-10-12 14:39:45 UTC
I too have wasted my life on a computer game. Bunch of sperging maggots get a ******* grip Shocked
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1754 - 2011-10-12 14:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
1Of9 wrote:
In all seriousness, i careless about the changes, buff, nerf.. screw it.

What i DO care about, is how strongly biased this game is towards goons.

It's amazing how goons fart and ccp rushes to smell it in, and how ccp "proudly" shows they favoritism towards goons.

for all i care, ccp could be 100% made of goons and love them to death, but in no occasion should show favoritism as they currently do.

That's what i care about.

And if ur a goon reading this, specially the mitanus dude *snip*


While I'm not Mittani, I have to assume I'm bundled in this statement and rest assured, I am ******* myself multiple times as I type this note. Please excuse any typos.

The supercap adjustments haven't come from Goons. We were a part of the conversation with CCP where we gave our concerns, DRF gave their concerns, a MM guy and a Razor guy gave their concerns, a brick squad guy gave his concerns, Two PL guys gave theirs! And a handful of others including a worm hole guy and a guy who specializes in lowsec warfare and really good Belgian beer. Also a generic Irish guy but for the purpose of this post we'll pretend he doesn't exist.

We all gave input and our own opinions and while CCP listened, they developed their own plan and implemented it. Some I like, some I don't like. Overall I'm happy with the changes but to try and insinuate that they are showing favoritism towards us just because a few of us tend to be very vocal on the subject, is just dumb. Don't be dumb.
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1755 - 2011-10-12 14:46:25 UTC
Metal Dude wrote:
Are you people really believe that CCP will listen to anyone other than the goons that make the most noise and have the CCP in their back pocket? Do you actually believe that they will learn from their mistakes and not rush with the nerfs without listening to their paying customers that has spent thousands of dollars on this ****** game over the last nine years and instead make changes to please the goons? Do you believe that the letter form the head moron in CCP about learning from their mistakes is for real? Do you believe that they will address the real problem with EVE, which is the blob, NAPing and the numbers game instead of skill to PVP? If you do, than you are just as dumb as the retards at CCP. I for one learned long, long ago that these monkeys could not balance a game , appreciate their customers, and research and test the features of the game if their lives depended on it. I'm down to one account from the six I had when the game was fun and the way things are going, soon that might be not worth the money either.


Tears like this make me want to join goons.
1Of9
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1756 - 2011-10-12 14:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Vile rat wrote:
1Of9 wrote:
In all seriousness, i careless about the changes, buff, nerf.. screw it.

What i DO care about, is how strongly biased this game is towards goons.

It's amazing how goons fart and ccp rushes to smell it in, and how ccp "proudly" shows they favoritism towards goons.

for all i care, ccp could be 100% made of goons and love them to death, but in no occasion should show favoritism as they currently do.

That's what i care about.

And if ur a goon reading this, specially the mitanus dude *snip*


While I'm not Mittani, I have to assume I'm bundled in this statement and rest assured, I am ******* myself multiple times as I type this note. Please excuse any typos.

The supercap adjustments haven't come from Goons. We were a part of the conversation with CCP where we gave our concerns, DRF gave their concerns, a MM guy and a Razor guy gave their concerns, a brick squad guy gave his concerns, Two PL guys gave theirs! And a handful of others including a worm hole guy and a guy who specializes in lowsec warfare and really good Belgian beer. Also a generic Irish guy but for the purpose of this post we'll pretend he doesn't exist.

We all gave input and our own opinions and while CCP listened, they developed their own plan and implemented it. Some I like, some I don't like. Overall I'm happy with the changes but to try and insinuate that they are showing favoritism towards us just because a few of us tend to be very vocal on the subject, is just dumb. Don't be dumb.









dude .. you can send sand to whoever eyes you want, i know that this has been pushed by goons since ever, also, your trustworthiness is bellow zero, so, ya, your words, waste of database space they are.
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1757 - 2011-10-12 14:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
1Of9 wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
1Of9 wrote:
In all seriousness, i careless about the changes, buff, nerf.. screw it.

What i DO care about, is how strongly biased this game is towards goons.

It's amazing how goons fart and ccp rushes to smell it in, and how ccp "proudly" shows they favoritism towards goons.

for all i care, ccp could be 100% made of goons and love them to death, but in no occasion should show favoritism as they currently do.

That's what i care about.

And if ur a goon reading this, specially the mitanus dude *snip*


While I'm not Mittani, I have to assume I'm bundled in this statement and rest assured, I am ******* myself multiple times as I type this note. Please excuse any typos.

The supercap adjustments haven't come from Goons. We were a part of the conversation with CCP where we gave our concerns, DRF gave their concerns, a MM guy and a Razor guy gave their concerns, a brick squad guy gave his concerns, Two PL guys gave theirs! And a handful of others including a worm hole guy and a guy who specializes in lowsec warfare and really good Belgian beer. Also a generic Irish guy but for the purpose of this post we'll pretend he doesn't exist.

We all gave input and our own opinions and while CCP listened, they developed their own plan and implemented it. Some I like, some I don't like. Overall I'm happy with the changes but to try and insinuate that they are showing favoritism towards us just because a few of us tend to be very vocal on the subject, is just dumb. Don't be dumb.









dude .. you can send sand to whoever eyes you want, i know that this has been pushed by goons since ever, also, your trustworthiness is bellow zero, so, ya, your words, waste of database space they are.



Oh if you're going to the forums shouting that ccp are in our pocket and do what we want then I'm not going to really try and stop you because that'd own.

It's not true, but it would sure own.
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1758 - 2011-10-12 14:53:51 UTC
Metal Dude wrote:
Are you people really believe that CCP will listen to anyone other than the goons that make the most noise and have the CCP in their back pocket? Do you actually believe that they will learn from their mistakes and not rush with the nerfs without listening to their paying customers that has spent thousands of dollars on this ****** game over the last nine years and instead make changes to please the goons? Do you believe that the letter form the head moron in CCP about learning from their mistakes is for real? Do you believe that they will address the real problem with EVE, which is the blob, NAPing and the numbers game instead of skill to PVP? If you do, than you are just as dumb as the retards at CCP. I for one learned long, long ago that these monkeys could not balance a game , appreciate their customers, and research and test the features of the game if their lives depended on it. I'm down to one account from the six I had when the game was fun and the way things are going, soon that might be not worth the money either.


My, that's one angry guy here.

Bitter that Bob's era of supremacy stopped overnight when CCP nerfed the AoE doomsdays? Blaming the Goons for that one, too, because they were part of the GSF?

If you really feel that way, then quit Eve right away and forget about it, or you'll get yourself an ulcer.
Avisary Rotsuda
Doomheim
#1759 - 2011-10-12 14:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
1Of9 wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
1Of9 wrote:
In all seriousness, i careless about the changes, buff, nerf.. screw it.

What i DO care about, is how strongly biased this game is towards goons.

It's amazing how goons fart and ccp rushes to smell it in, and how ccp "proudly" shows they favoritism towards goons.

for all i care, ccp could be 100% made of goons and love them to death, but in no occasion should show favoritism as they currently do.

That's what i care about.

And if ur a goon reading this, specially the mitanus dude *snip*


While I'm not Mittani, I have to assume I'm bundled in this statement and rest assured, I am ******* myself multiple times as I type this note. Please excuse any typos.

The supercap adjustments haven't come from Goons. We were a part of the conversation with CCP where we gave our concerns, DRF gave their concerns, a MM guy and a Razor guy gave their concerns, a brick squad guy gave his concerns, Two PL guys gave theirs! And a handful of others including a worm hole guy and a guy who specializes in lowsec warfare and really good Belgian beer. Also a generic Irish guy but for the purpose of this post we'll pretend he doesn't exist.

We all gave input and our own opinions and while CCP listened, they developed their own plan and implemented it. Some I like, some I don't like. Overall I'm happy with the changes but to try and insinuate that they are showing favoritism towards us just because a few of us tend to be very vocal on the subject, is just dumb. Don't be dumb.









dude .. you can send sand to whoever eyes you want, i know that this has been pushed by goons since ever, also, your trustworthiness is bellow zero, so, ya, your words, waste of database space they are.


Thats harsh.
Mr Management
Anger Management
#1760 - 2011-10-12 15:00:57 UTC
We all know that the Goons cried foul because they can't take over the alliance that built supers while they didn't.

Its also funny that they complain about Bots but when you sit in their mining systems their hulks log in every hour on the hour, spot a neuts in local and log off .............. 24 x 7.

The CSM is broken when you have players who soul purpose of their alliance is break the game for everyone else.

Too much insider information ....................