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You weren't uncloaked. That was a lie because I wanted you to feel safe and I was hoping to catch you again the next day. I scanned you down when you landed, then you cloaked a few seconds later. I warped to your position and just got lucky decloaking you (you were 5km away or so). I was much faster with my probes than you suspected :)

You have any idea what T2 trimarks would cost SC pilots? Recently looked at buying a t2 rep aug for one of my carriers, not a good idea (900 mil).

TBH, the rigs are proportional to the size of the ship, I have seen machs bigger than carriers (pretty damn close to a SC I might add). SCs should require something like 10x what a carrier requires and 100x what a BS requires. Also, my carriers cannot fit remote ECM burst, but they do fit Heavy Neuts. The larger factor is that the price is similar to many battleships, and should remain so until there are actually faction carriers.

Actually, if they fixed it such that all rigs were of equal demand this would not be nearly the same problem. As it stands, armor t2 rigs are too expensive to fit on anything below a super that is not just a toy. Having said that, the t1 prices for carriers are meh, even at 5x-15x the current price (what would happen I assume after x-large are implemented and start sucking up a large portion of the components, 100 mil for a CCC1 is not exactly a problem for me) or so. The biggest problem would be rigs costing more than half the value of the ship for some people. T2 CCCs would also be an issue for me.

Well played sir. lol

Psst, your secret source of intel on 'Goonswarm and TEST' supercap capabilities has been lying to you.

I hope for the sake of balance and fairplay that all battleships lose their drone bays with this patch as well.


After all, ships should have support, all ships, no matter the size, and its unfair that a heavy neut and a flight of light drones makes ships like the Mega and Geddon immune to tacklers.


This type of heresy cannot stand, and it screams in the face of Lady Justice. No more solo ships in EVE period, everything should be supported in some way shape or form, so completely removing the ability of a larger ship class to damage a smaller ship class is obviously the only way forward.

What i realize is that if a ship the size of a dread, mothership, or titan can't find space for a drone bay, then theres absolutely no way anything smaller should have the space.

No, by my logic they should have about 15mil EHP like i stated. As a point of interest an archon can get to 6 million EHP with a deadspace fit wit slaves. The point I am trying to make is that even with 20% less EHP the super carrier still has far to many hit points for far to cheep a hull.

Firstly the question that needs to be asked is Does CCP actually Take note of there forums and the questions & concerns the member base has?? Or are there plans for the Capital Rebalancing set in stone and once again CCP ignores its members and does its own thing?
This Whole Capital ship rebalancing/NERF has come about due to people complaining that it is too hard to kill a super capital. Yes I agree BUT surely that is the whole point of the ship classes. As described in the ingame descriptions….
Wyvern
‘the Wyvern is likely to stand as a symbol of Caldari greatness for untold years to come’
Nyx
‘the Nyx itself is emblematic of the Gallenteans’ love for progress; packed to the ergonomic brim with the latest in cutting-edge advancements’
These are just a few of the in game descriptions given to such vessels, & then u have titans which give an even more awe impressing description which just screams the best of EVE has to offer.

First Off, Super Capitals are too hard to kill so what do u do about it without further a do u strip 20% of shields armour & hull. Surely there are better options available to do. I mean a Super-capital is classed as being the size of stations hence the inability to dock, yet a station has different sub sections that can be attacked ie the medical centre/reprocessing factory etc. Why not do something similar with Super capitals & give them targetable sub systems ie Jump Drives which can be shot to prevent escape, & targetable drone Command Centres which if damaged will cause the vessel not to be able to deploy & control fighters/bombers, weapon systems which if incapacitated will inhibit the vessel from operating weapons. With this in mind split the Sheild/Armor/Hull points up among the sub systems thus making a particular feature more vulnerable but as a whole not NERF’ing the overall HP. This would give the attacker the easier chance of rendering a super out of the fight for the purpose it was deployed for but not taking away from the sheer vastness of the vessel

Another option would be to address the modules able to fit on a such a class of vessel. At present most Super capitals and Titans are faction/Officer fit which is really what makes then so immense in battle. Ie an Invulnerability field fitted on a BC or BS uses between 30 and 45 TF of CPU and 1 MW of power grid. Now fitting the same module on a Super capital has the safe affect at the same cost, so why not look at either reducing the effect they have because an Invulnerability field has to cover a shield 50x its size or looking at the requirements for it’s use. Ie the TF and MW are increased. Or even look at creating a Super Capital Class of modules which does a more retrospective effect on a vessel ie a Capital Invulnerability field with its own unique values, or a capital energised adaptive membrane which can only be fitted to capital class, which then will do away with fitting officer items as they are obsolete in terms of the output effects it has. (ie like fitting a X-large Shield booster on a capital as apposed to a Capital Shield Booster)

Next u addressed that super-carriers are too versatile, but your plan is to nerf them to a point where a standard carrier outways some of the benefits of the ‘new’ super layout. Why not look at do what has already been suggested and increase the Drone bandwidth of fighter bombers so that the amount they can deploy is reduced which in terms of DPS is reduced & also lag due to millions of fighter bombers being deployed.

The Next Item you have highlighted to NERF is the Titan Superweapon. This should not happen. The DD is described as being ‘THE’ SUPER WEAPON. By not being able to fire on 90% of the ships in eve will make this weapon obsolete. At the end of the day I can be sat still in a shuttlecraft and someone pointing a large gun at me that has me locked up should be able to fire and obliterate me. How u should look at this would be having the titan to have a 5% or 10% Field of fire with a DD, meaning it can lock anything but to fire at it the titan has to point it’s super sized killing machine at it. This in itself can be a challenge as titans can be so easily bumbed. Also the effect of the weapon should also be a Point to Point AOE weapon ie if a titan is firing at said target 50Km ahead of it, then while the Doomsday is in a brief operation, anything that passes in that line of sight from Titan to target should take some of the damage thus spreading the overall damage output of the weapon along everything within it’s path to the target, thus reducing the damage caused to the actual target. After all it is meant to be a focused weapon of destruction.

Next.
Dreads will have a reduction in Siege mode & ever so slight increase to Damage output does not constitute as a good enough fix to bring them back in line, Especially if u plan on killing the Drone bay on these vessels. Maybe u should think of adding another 2 weapon mounts and the ability to fit 2 more guns/batteries

With regards to the Increase of the Sig resolution to fighters to 400 why I ask?? A fighter is meant to be a small versatile attack craft no bigger than a frigate so why give it the same attributes of battleships.

The Aggression Log Off Timer is the One Attribute in that whole long list u have created seems a fair & feasible option.

As I said in the beginning does CCP developers actually read the forums taking into account the voices of the member base that pays it’s way, or do all these posts that people have taken the time to make fall on deaf ears.
Another question CCP….
If u proposed plans are in place and nothing can be done to make you see sense, then I Sincerely hope u rebalance the production process for all the said capital class vessels reducing the build cost ie 20% off the Shield emitters, armour plates & construction parts for titans & super-carriers, also remove the requirement of drone bay parts for titans & Dreads

Its about game balance. Super Capitals, while they do need to be reworked a bit, are being taken from one extreme to the other here.

As someone a ways back mentions, just send Super Carriers back to what they were when they were just Motherships. Lose the Fighter Bombers and Nerf the Titan's EHP. Removing drone bays on ships that require drones to survive once their support fleet dies off, seems a bit extreme.

I think fleet of 250 supercaps has happened as often as local count has gone over 3000.