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New dev blog: Ship Balancing: Mining Barges

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Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-08-03 19:19:23 UTC
Tantabobo wrote:
Matthew Toomb wrote:
Can you guys please think this through just a little bit before you finalize? Those of us noobie idiots who've spent months training for Hulks only to have them downgraded to a piddly craptastic support miner- I assume we'll be ISKompensated for the hundreds of millions of $$ we've spent on our soon to be useless ships correct?

Oh, and will this "uber" retriever at least get a third strip slot? Or just a bloated cargobay?

Glad I manufacture retrievers with an original BPO though, the price is about to go WAY up.


Please explain how the Hulk is now craptastic? It is the best mining barge (in terms of yield/hr) it just now requires jetcan mining or support. (Both of which were used anyway if you cared about yield/hr). So what exactly changed that is making you so unhappy?

I will agree that the change to how many crystals you can hold is a tad annoying (especially for the largely solo jetcan miner) but it is merely an annoyance not something that will greatly impact your normal mining routine.

--Tanta

he cant go afk in it anymore ofcourse
Celebris Nexterra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-08-03 19:23:10 UTC
Dibs on using a baiting/scouting Procurer for my next fleet roam Cool

Also IB4C!
Qual
Knights of a Once Square Table INC.
#43 - 2012-08-03 19:23:30 UTC
Matthew Toomb wrote:
Can you guys please think this through just a little bit before you finalize? Those of us noobie idiots who've spent months training for Hulks only to have them downgraded to a piddly craptastic support miner- I assume we'll be ISKompensated for the hundreds of millions of $$ we've spent on our soon to be useless ships correct?

Oh, and will this "uber" retriever at least get a third strip slot? Or just a bloated cargobay?

Glad I manufacture retrievers with an original BPO though, the price is about to go WAY up.


You want some cheese with that whine?

Seriously, did you even read the numbers in the blog? All your questions is answered in there. Hulk is still the king of mining yield, its just not as thick skinned as it used to be.

And the lower tiers get some love as well. Those getting hit the hardest are the Macinaw ice miners, as thier ship is no longer king of its former profession.
Droxlyn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-08-03 19:26:31 UTC
As far as crystals go, when I used to mine in normal belts, I would bookmark 2 or 3 optimal spots that would get 1/2 or 1/3 or more of the asteroids in the belt. This would mean that I would place a secure container at these points and stash extra crystals in those. So, newbies mine into GSC for more space. Vets stash crystals in GSC for variety.
Kaori Ohara
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-08-03 19:33:25 UTC
for Skiff and Mackinaw, the extra HP seems not bad, but using little, I will not speak too much about them.
where I am skeptical, it is on the lower shield resistance bonus; the Skiff or mackinaw it should not be too annoying, but the hulk despite the use of teamwork, it may become truly "break up" because it will be even harder to keep a bad arrival of NPC of 0.0, something that hurt, a real player who cares, even with the bonus of 7.5% they kill us very fast, really fast, so this is the game and that's how I like it
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#46 - 2012-08-03 19:39:08 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
I am glad the idiot tank on the hulk was removed

Huh? Given the way I tank my Hulk, it will now have an improved EHP.

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Jaques D'Builder
Ellipsis Holding
Ellipsis.
#47 - 2012-08-03 19:40:19 UTC
So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.

If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent.
Tantabobo
Jester's Fleet
Jester's Alliance
#48 - 2012-08-03 19:44:35 UTC
Jaques D'Builder wrote:
So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.

If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent.


Given that the cargohold of these ships is now smaller than the weakest strips yield, it would be logical to assume that it goes directly into the ore hold.

--Tanta
Elijah Craig
Trask Industries
#49 - 2012-08-03 19:45:48 UTC
Jaques D'Builder wrote:
So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.

If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent.

It's an ore hold. Ore goes in it. Because it's for the ore. The ore goes in there.
Tantabobo
Jester's Fleet
Jester's Alliance
#50 - 2012-08-03 19:46:22 UTC
Jack bubu wrote:
Tantabobo wrote:
Matthew Toomb wrote:
Can you guys please think this through just a little bit before you finalize? Those of us noobie idiots who've spent months training for Hulks only to have them downgraded to a piddly craptastic support miner- I assume we'll be ISKompensated for the hundreds of millions of $$ we've spent on our soon to be useless ships correct?

Oh, and will this "uber" retriever at least get a third strip slot? Or just a bloated cargobay?

Glad I manufacture retrievers with an original BPO though, the price is about to go WAY up.


Please explain how the Hulk is now craptastic? It is the best mining barge (in terms of yield/hr) it just now requires jetcan mining or support. (Both of which were used anyway if you cared about yield/hr). So what exactly changed that is making you so unhappy?

I will agree that the change to how many crystals you can hold is a tad annoying (especially for the largely solo jetcan miner) but it is merely an annoyance not something that will greatly impact your normal mining routine.

--Tanta

he cant go afk in it anymore ofcourse


Good point, I had not thought of that. I take it all back, this is a horrible change. What are all of the noobie idiots suppose to do now that their hulk can no longer afk mine for them.

--Tanta
Jaques D'Builder
Ellipsis Holding
Ellipsis.
#51 - 2012-08-03 19:51:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaques D'Builder
Elijah Craig wrote:
Jaques D'Builder wrote:
So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.

If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent.

It's an ore hold. Ore goes in it. Because it's for the ore. The ore goes in there.


Hey fail troll. Remember the orca? If you use mining drones, it goes to the cargo and you have to move it to the Ore hold.

It's better to be silent and be thought an idiot than to say something and remove all doubt.

Also, thanks Tanta.
Droxlyn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-08-03 19:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Droxlyn
BTW, to fit a 10MN afterburner, you won't be doing any mining.

Edit: A skiff can really move with an AB installed. This speed could make it a great Mining mission runner.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#53 - 2012-08-03 19:54:22 UTC
Jaques D'Builder wrote:
Elijah Craig wrote:
Jaques D'Builder wrote:
So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.

If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent.

It's an ore hold. Ore goes in it. Because it's for the ore. The ore goes in there.


Hey fail troll. Remember the orca? If you use mining drones, it goes to the cargo and you have to move it to the Ore hold.

It's better to be silent and be thought an idiot than to say something and remove all doubt.

Also, thanks Tanta.

Trolling aside, on Sisi it goes into the ore hold.

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Fade Toblack
Per.ly
The 20 Minuters
#54 - 2012-08-03 19:56:58 UTC
All the ELITE miners, that are so elite that they can't work it out are making me lol lots.

Matthew Toomb wrote:
Those of us noobie idiots who've spent months training for Hulks


Maybe CCP should be taking skill points away - after all you now have *3* options for mining, and your existing skills will bonus any/all of those three hulls! You're obviously getting an unfair advantage from the revamp.

Matthew Toomb wrote:
our soon to be useless ships correct?


Yeah pity the Hulk is now completly incapable of mining, and you're being forced to switch to a T1 BS with mining lazors.


Jaques D'Builder wrote:
because AFK miners will be nonexistent.


Yeah they're all going to rage-quit the game, because they're not clever enough to realise that if you want to afk mine you can afk for *even longer* in a Mackinaw.
Vanessa Vansen
Vandeo
#55 - 2012-08-03 19:59:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanessa Vansen
what is still missing?

Change ice harvester II to 60tf and 12 MW

Then you'll be able to just swap out the mining gear when changing from ore/mercoxit to ice mining.

And reduce the calibration cost of the mining rigs to 200!

Let there be the ultimate miner!
^^Won't ever happen since you messed up with the implants already^^
Jaques D'Builder
Ellipsis Holding
Ellipsis.
#56 - 2012-08-03 20:00:23 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Jaques D'Builder wrote:
Elijah Craig wrote:
Jaques D'Builder wrote:
So I suppose the question is. Does the ore go to the ore hold after the mining cycle completes, or do you have to manually move it from the cargo to the ore hold.

If you have to move it, this will drive mineral prices up because AFK miners will be nonexistent.

It's an ore hold. Ore goes in it. Because it's for the ore. The ore goes in there.


Hey fail troll. Remember the orca? If you use mining drones, it goes to the cargo and you have to move it to the Ore hold.

It's better to be silent and be thought an idiot than to say something and remove all doubt.

Also, thanks Tanta.

Trolling aside, on Sisi it goes into the ore hold.


Thank you very much. You are a true gentleman.
Vrykolakasis
Sparrowhawks Corp
#57 - 2012-08-03 20:02:06 UTC
I'm hardly a miner, and it might be far from worth the effort, but a dedicated ORE gas miner would be cool.
Sho Menao
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#58 - 2012-08-03 20:02:45 UTC
Am I the only one noticing a 15% reduction in max ore and merc mining and a 20% reduction in max ice mining from current absolute maximums. Mining buff is actually a stealth nerf. \o/
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#59 - 2012-08-03 20:03:59 UTC
As a member of the pirate community, I highly support this course of action. I would additionally request that you consider a large ore bay miner for use in truly hostile areas (low sec and WH space comes to mind) that is agile and somewhat fast.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Jake Rivers
New Planetary Order
#60 - 2012-08-03 20:04:21 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
Happy Mining Day :3

We alleviated this slightly by cutting the volume of mining crystals in half, but it is now something that miners have to plan for before they go mining.


Plan to redock numerous times over a mining session.

Not exactly happy mining.

Senex Legio