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yep, supers sure were flavor of the year, except erm

theyve been flavor of the half decade but yeah, sure i'm the idiot

edit: defiant? didnt you die 2yrs ago? gtfo... wheres the "dislike" button anyway?

Supercarriers were originally ships that were a modest increase over regular carriers and grotesquely priced as to be an end game ego ship. They were neat and something you pointed at "ooh look at that!" but not strategically important. Then they were improved dramatically and in doing so they became extremely popular, but also destabilizing. They evolved from being something that was a nice ego booster "Look at what we can make and field!" to something that was a critically important part of 0.0 warfare. Things reached a point where you simply could not compete on any appreciable level unless you fielded a large blob of these damn things and it is strangling the game. The rush to field supercaps fueled black market ISK dealing because people who used to show up and do things in dreads/carriers (battleships) no longer felt useful in the game and rushed to get a supercap by any means necessary.

This has been destructive to the game and the focus on supercaps being the end game content instead of one aspect of end game content had to be stopped. I believe these changes will make it so supercaps are still useful, but not the deciding factor in 0.0 combat. To be successful you must field a balanced fleet and if you can field a supercap fleet in addition to a balanced fleet you will be able to swing your super-dongs around just like you used to, but with a lot more caution.

And titans? They were garbage from the first iteration. They were a dumb idea, poorly implemented, and now they are still a dumb idea but slightly more killable. I would have loved to see some attention to titan gun tracking as well but this is a good first step towards bringing us back from a game where only the rich need apply.

While this statement might prove useful during an interview at the local tabloid, lets all get a few facts straight:

Strategic logouts happen. They happen with roaming gangs that get boxed in in some deadend constellation. They happen with wardeccers to suicide-tackle with a neutral char until the pilot with the war is logged in. They happen with supers to safe them - and while I may only have skimmed over most of the last 70 pages, I have not seen a single super pilot claim otherwise - it is currently in a lot of situations the most favorable option to the SC pilot.

Be that as it may - it is irrelevant. Protocols and game mechanics do not get tested by looking at the one intended usecase (super logging out while 50 hotiles are swarming it inside 15 bubbles gunz blazing) in which it is designed to work. They are tested by looking at ALL use cases. And the stranger the usecase, the more cornercases of different mechanics you get to overlap, the harder to look. Because how it fares in those cases is actually how good a mechanic is. And if the mechanics change is to ship logout/disconnect, examples of logout/disconnect scenarios should not come as a surprise.

Same can be said for standings and coalitions. You have groups that have 45000 members with individual allainces having close to 7000. The barrier for entry for a new group into 0.0 is too high. There is no way a new group can have any chance against a 7000 man alliance or its 45000 blues. Clearly coalitions and giant alliances are in need of a nerf. Its unfair and im sorry I know you spent years getting your group to this point but you are breaking the game. Were going to have to reduce your size and strength to level the playing field. No hard feelings its for the good of the game.

Anything I want to say, I say with my main. What are you afraid of?



Except it does. There's always the implication therein that you don't have the spine to say with your main what you can say without hesitation on your alt. It basically puts across that you're ashamed of your ideas and opinions being associated with your main.



I have in excess of 80m skillpoints and have the prerequisites to fly the supercarriers of two races. With a little bit of instruction I'd likely be able to fly one competently in combat. I have absolutely no desire to because I have no desire to shackle my soul to a several-billion dollar flying rock that will, inevitably, without a shadow of a doubt, die. From what I've seen of 0.0 combat, it was a lot more fun before motherships became supercarriers.

dont care, he helped break the game by being part of an expoloiting party that resulted in imba that ccp couldnt fix, he should get no support from community and should instead be banned like other game breaking people have been in the past

(kugu for example)

two step is nothing but a supporter of all that is wrong about this game, and should be classed with people from eve's dark past, banned forever and playing hello kitty online to ease his pain

GG CCPswarm, GG

I do not even know where to begin, and as a Hel pilot I have a pretty high resistance to tragedy.

Logout timer: this will increase the number of intentionally logged out supers (as counterintuitive as it is). An online supercapital can right now be held on the field by 3 things - dictor bubbles, hic point/bubble, anchored bubble. After this change, a drive-by shooting by an Ibis that gets off 2 shots (one for creating the timer, one for aggressing within that timer), means you have 30 minutes of infinitely-extendable aggression (remember the good old wreck-shooting).
An aggressed supercapital should stay in space for 15 minutes (like now), and after that for as long as it is bubbled or hic-pointed. I'm not going to do the math if a tech 2 velator could actually kill a supercapital within 23 hours, but if it can't, then downtime is the ONLY thing saving the supercap.
This in turn means a move back to a lot more aggression avoidance.

Supercarrier Dronetype change: Why not make Warrior IIs unfittable on battleships so the poor frigates do not get killed? I understand where the urge for this change comes from, but giving subcaps de facto immunity seems a bit much considered the only ships that can tackle them are destroyer/cruiser hulls.
There is little shame losing a super to a well coordinated trap, but the absolutely only business a single planless dictor solo engaging a super has is dying - not being granted possibly infinite amounts of near-invulnerable time to figure out what to do next. 300m3 dronebay for 20 lights and 20 meds (or rep drones) should be considered. Yes there are battleships dying to solo frigates all the time - but they had the option to fit something that helps and did not do it.

Supercarrier Fighterbay Size: given how hard fighters and fighter-bombers are to field-resupply (short of jumping a cargo-rorqual into an ongoing battle lol), how near impossible they are to rep (locktime, indeterminate flightpath), and how easily they die, I see a lot of useless supers 10 minutes into any engagement they are accidentally deployed into in our future. Will they receive more HP / better resistances? Or will there be a supercarrier retcon to capital bombers with 600m ISK bombs that jump in, deploy and (hope to somehow) jump out?

Titan dronebay: Yes, those 375m3 were the one gamebreaking attribute they had. All is well now. Please move along, nothing to see here.

Siege module: since it doesn't really change anything but the time needed for pos-ops, good.

Dreadnought dronebay: I love this change, since with this I do not have to wait another year or two for the "hey look, my sentry drone bumped your dread 500km offgrid" bug to be fixed. The single tackling rifter is going to be annoying though.

SC/Titan HP nerf: if 20% of a Hel were the same as 20% of an Aeon, I could subscribe to this change, but even if the Hel stays as it is, the -20% Aeon would still have twice the EHP. Consequently, this just reads to me as "ALL MINMATAR - BEND OVER NOW." Analog for the Ragnarok.

Not in the blog but needed changes:
Shield recharge: remove it from all capitals. Have capital shields behave like armor. Introduce +Capital Shield HP implant set (no drake/tengu love).

Hel bonus: either bring it inline with the other 3 supercarriers (offensive or defensive bonus), or fix its cap so it can actually use its bonus. +25% rep amount is ueless when you need twice the cap transfer amount of a nyx to not cap out (which gives you +100% rep and moar damage).

Dreadnought tracking: in theory, this would need a buff, but can be kept as is, since there will not be any big capital fights after this patch anyway.

Overall predictions for the proposed changes:
- dreads will still only be used to reinforce towers (not finish), and with the 5min timers they will be harder to catch doing so. they will continue to not be used against anything that can't be one-cycled, since they remain extremely vulnerable to supers and have to, or supers will lose their last remaining role. Having nothing to fend off tacklers on their own does not help either.

- carriers basically same as above. main use emergency logistics and triage-pos-boost, although they may see the odd use for structure grinding if no fight is to be expected. Since they can still launch drones that can effectively fight fighterbombers, they may get fielded in 200+ quantities so they generate enough remote rep to neutralize and finish off any supers on the field.

- supers will largely vanish from the battlefield again, since having a support fleet changed from smart play to required necessity. This implies the total loss of your supers, if you do not have dominance of the subcap fight - at which point you do not really need to deploy supers anymore. Since this is true for both sides, noone will dare to make the first move (depending on their knowledge of game theory).
Main use will be as a strategic deterrent against hostile dread/carrier deployments from within pos shields. Second most common usage will be parked on an inactive account. Highlight of the year might be a structure grind deployment if no hostile is logged in.

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