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A hitpoint reduction is really necesary for both super carriers and titans - Very well done...
With the massive resist they can obtain and the many RR carriers on the field in battles I still believe a bigger hitpoint reduction would be in place without jeopardizing balance too much.
Also perhaps since Super capitals never seems too be active tanking perhaps a reduction in capacitor and recharge would make the fights better balanced and more interesting.

Limiting drones is a super choice. Good choice. You will still have a fleet problem of multiple ECM bursts. I would consider giving certain tacklers & supportships ecm burst immunity or higher sensor strength. Also plz make sure ecm bursts won't be able to negate the effects of bubbles (Getting paranoid here or am I?)

The doomsday weapon is not necesarily the most dangerous part of the Titan. The tracking of the guns can easily hit BC's while moving and not commiting as a Dread would have to. Also remote tracking in the current state of those guns fit on a titan will be very powerfull.

Don't hesitate too long about dreadnoughts. Those guns are really bad at hitting even a stationary pos. Making them hit better won't be a huge threat to battleships however still have a valid chance of hitting more than towers and capitals.

A reason while subcapitals have trouble with supers is not necesarily due to the supers themselves, however the massive RR capitals in support have a very easy time supporting with the massive resistance and hitpoints available. I am not convinced a 20% reduction in hitpoints is enough as RR support rarely have trouble keeping up with the damage taken after the massive resists.

Would it be too much to have a built in 20-50 % Hitpoints received on shield/armor transfer?

Anyway nice to see CCP giving a few shipclasses a major overhaul with well thought adjustments... Now you just need the last little details, kinks and perks to make it super usefull :p

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Just going to point this out, but generally when talking balance it is not assumed that something is balanced because they have to bail without losses when outnumbered over 10 to 1...

Stupid forum. had it all nice and neat. Guess now I'll have to put in the TL DR version.

All Capitals should be monsters of the BattleSpace. Taking away drones from Dreads is stupid. They can find room in the hulls for a couple of flights of light scout drones if NOTHING else. They should all have the Possibility to pop a tackler, maybe not with their main weaponry but that's what light and medium scout drones are for. Siege mode should make hitting pretty much Anything more likely for dreads. Even a chance to pop frigs, (Likely? maybe not; but possible yes). They can't move after all and can't be repped. So what's the REAL advantage to it. Maybe no 700% bonus to damage against BattleCruisers and smaller, tracking increase instead against them. Super Carriers. should be able to bring a full flight of Fighters and Fighter Bombers. Just enough room in the Fighter Bay for that. They should also be able to deploy Light/Medium scouts for the same reason as other Capitals. Not enough room in the Fighter bay for a full flight of all drone types though. You want to carry more/other drones you gotta drop either fighters of fighter bombers to make room. The CHANCE to pop the tackler. This premise of a cap being able to pop tackle is predicated upon the idea that it's just a frig or two or maybe even one or two hictors. They should have the CHANCE to get away before the tacklers gang arrives. Bit more tackle than that, or the tackle fleet's got more support then to bad so sad for the support-less super. Titans. Even Titans should have a CHANCE to pop a tackler (light\medium scout drones). And from those better at Maths I agree, Straight nerf to Super EHP's is not fair to Minmi. no I'm not a Minmi pilot either. Look closer at that Please Tallest before just a straight drop. Carriers should be feared by all. they SHOULD be able to deploy Light Scouts all the way up through Fighters, full flights of each. You'd still have to pick and choose so you can either carry spares or the flights. But that's what a carrier should be able to do. With Supers, make it so FB's can attack structures. You can then eliminate them being able to carry heavy/sentry drones. But make it so that a Dread's Guns do a better job of it. Perhaps FB's don't do full damage against structures compared to Capital Class ships. That seems like a good fix to me. Dreads feared by Structure owners and Caps for sure. They should make on down to BC's Very Nervous (small number of them say 3-5 without other support) with their guns. Carriers should make everybody worry a bit. They can't bring the pain to Caps like Super Carriers with their Fighter Bombers or Dreads with their 'Big Guns' or Titans with their DD's. But they can make even Frigs have a bad day. Titans Should make Structures and Caps Quake in their boots. What else is a DD for? Up to a flight of 5 Sentry drones for Dreads is not unreasonable. They're for Structure bashing after all. up to a flight of Medium Scout drones for Super Carriers and Titans is also not unreasonable to give them a CHANCE to get away before the tacklers gang can arrive. Heard an idea surrounding Jump Bridging of titans on a pod cast recently. Instead of bridging, the titans take everything in a certain radius with them. I think that that'd be a better idea for Carriers and Super Carriers. Think refinement of technology. Carriers can jump a few non jump capable ships With them somewhere (make taking ships with them a script or something) but can't jump as far. Super Carriers the same idea but more cause they are larger. Titans should be able to jump their full limit with ships, but should use a script of some type to make a bridge; decreasing the chance they're put in danger. And as far as Jump range goes, Dreads should be comparable to Carriers. Maybe not exactly as far, but since they're the closest in size, they should have similar jump ranges imo.

With that all said, I'm not totally negative on the items in the dev blog. I just think they need to be through through a little deeper is all.

Just the 2 isk of a non capital pilot on the subject.

Just finally read through enough of the idea of not nerfing fighters. thank Goodness for that!

Your ideas are all terrible and neuter the ships to the point of extinction, raising the question of why somebody would pay that much for a ship that with your changes, does exactly nothing.

Keep your day job.

Yes, its completely lazymode to be able to tackle supercarrier only with 1 type of ship, that is completely useless for anything else in lowsec.
Its also ridiculously easy to point scs, because you are not under 20 fighters from each, 2x 30k+ neuts from each and remote ecm burst.
Its also completely ok, that supercarriers - that can be built ONLY in 0.0 sovereignity space - can be used without any disadvantage in low sec space. Space, where you cannot built supercarrier.

Also how much supercarriers there were in game, when you used to tackle them with "bumps." Nice example of "always bet on stupid" pvp approach btw. And nice example of ccp providing good pvp balance. Making a ship, that basically cant be tackled withou pilot making mistake, mmm every fotmchaser goes wet...

Well, unlike Carriers and Dreads, you cant store a Supercap in a Station. So you are saying, you should only log in when there is a support fleet ready?
He is talking about some random roaming fleet and such.
I totally agree with the nerf, still the Supercarrier should have at least a little tooth against small ships. So that he is not completly helpless against a small gang of say 5 ships.

Yes. Bring the right tool for the job. Without a support fleet, the SC is not the right tool.
Why not? If it encounters a small gang of, say, 5 ships, it will survive long enough for the support fleet to get there and wipe the floor with those ships.

ehp bricks repping a station that dock up whenever they go into low armor and get free repairs

So you would be ok with carriers having their drone bays removed on this basis too then right?

I mean, I've seen people go

* Its a carrier, its got fighters, they should be useful for something

* Supers are fleet ships, they should need a fleet


So by those two logics, Carriers should also have their drone bays neutered to only carry fighters, if your carrier gets tackled by a lone frigate, you should have a fleet with you to beat it back right?


RIght?

Every fight you go into, runs that risk.

Again taking back to RL situation. A Carrier, without proper support (solo) is defensless against smaller, more mobile ships. And eventually will be taken down.

Eve is supposed to Mirror Real Life (Eve is REAL), this change will do that.

Increasing resistance, lowering EHP, and having a bonus to local repper gives you a defensive capability.

Making them immune to Sub-Cap scrammers and HIC Bubbles, increase defensive capability.

Adding a Capital HIC Bubble of some form adds balance.

How many BS should it take to bring down a SC. Cost is not a balancing factor.

Look around RL situation, the make the argument for most people that are for this "re-balancing"

Super-Carriers and Titan will still be needed. But more Tactically orientated hopefully.