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Is this game for morons only?

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Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-07-19 12:24:21 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
Halete wrote:


Plenty of people have gone into low-sec with no plan at a few days old and done just fine.


I'm sure about that. What could possibly go wrong, going into low sec without a clue?




I have been through low-sec solo a few years ago and the only plan was to get to 0.0 following the autopilot route (only the route) and saw nobody at the gates although 1 or 2 in local. So at least back then it shows that you won't always run into trouble, but what it's like now I have no idea. Maybe I'll have to find out sometime.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-07-19 12:29:23 UTC
Cebraio wrote:


I'm sure about that. What could possibly go wrong, going into low sec without a clue?


Not a hell of a lot when you're talking about such a small investment is what.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-07-19 12:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Cebraio
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
Halete wrote:


Plenty of people have gone into low-sec with no plan at a few days old and done just fine.


I'm sure about that. What could possibly go wrong, going into low sec without a clue?




I have been through low-sec solo a few years ago and the only plan was to get to 0.0 following the autopilot route (only the route) and saw nobody at the gates although 1 or 2 in local. So at least back then it shows that you won't always run into trouble, but what it's like now I have no idea. Maybe I'll have to find out sometime.


Going into low sec or traveling through it is not always a problem. Plenty of empty systems and there aren't always gate camps at the entry points.

What we were talking about though (at least from my understanding) is going into low sec and staying there to mine or do whatever a noob wants to do in low sec. I don't think that will work out well unless the newbie is exceptionally lucky.

Halete wrote:
Cebraio wrote:


I'm sure about that. What could possibly go wrong, going into low sec without a clue?


Not a hell of a lot when you're talking about such a small investment is what.


The size of the investment depends on the point of view. A mining barge is quite an investment for a noob without backup of a corp.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#44 - 2012-07-19 12:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinstar Colton
Think of it like this:

You want to mine, build and trade and generally be peaceful in EVE? Fine

But you must accept the fact that you share the same universe with people who do the complete opposite of that, and would like nothing more than to blow you up for the luls, even if they don't have much to profit from the encounter.


As frustrating as that is, keep this in mind:
Those minerals you mine? That stuff you build, it is worth something on the market. Why is it worth something? Because people need it. They need minerals to make ships, modules and ammo.

Why do people need ships, modules and ammo? To replace the ones they lost when their ship got blown up. Without any combat, there would be very little need for new goods and mineral prices...and thus your income... would tank.


Further, the same gankers who harrass you probably give other miners in your area the same treatment. Other miners, if left unharassed, will fill the markets with minerals and decrease the price...thus lowering the proft you gain from your own.

In essence, gankers are a positive force for the peaceful industrialist. You have more to lose from a sustained decrease in mineral prices than you do losing an individual ship or two to a gank. If you can refine your playing habits and become more careful, and out run or otherwise avoid the gankers, you can stand to profit more from your work.


Besides, Gankers make mining slightly more entertaining. In the same way that winning in a casino feels all the more rewarding because you had the possibility of losing... successfully mining is more rewarding when you know there is the danger of a gank that you avoided. If mining was 0 risk, it would not be nearly as rewarding.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Karkaroph
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-07-19 13:00:26 UTC
Yes.

[i]I have seen so much of it, that truly I know nothing of it, except that it embaces me.

I, Karkaroph.[/i]
Karkaroph
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-07-19 13:01:13 UTC
Karkaroph wrote:
Yes.



Upon consideration I would also like to add: Mostly.

[i]I have seen so much of it, that truly I know nothing of it, except that it embaces me.

I, Karkaroph.[/i]
Arkturus McFadden
Anukar
#47 - 2012-07-19 13:02:16 UTC
I sit in a part of space no one likes, thats how I avoid people like you!


Damn it someone showed up on dscan, I spoke too soon..



Find another game if this one pisses you off so much, it'll only get worse for you.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#48 - 2012-07-19 13:05:16 UTC
Roisin Corcra wrote:
Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.


rofl

So let me get this straight, YOU want to be able to affect other people in the game (by "mining", every bit you mine lowers the value of everyone Else's minerals), but when they affect you (buy blowing you up), that's somehow wrong?

This is the main problem many of us have with your type. You don't understand that this game is about conflict on all levels, that there is no such thing as non-consensual pvp in EVE (CCP, PLEASE give us a pop up that says "by undocking you are consenting pvp"), and that is NOT some solo/casual playground, it's an integrate gameworld where everything you do affects someone else in some way.

CCP, being a business, well never ever take this stance, but I (not having real life money at stake) can: the game would be so much better off without these kinds of people. "Good" carebears (who don't want to shoot things but don't complain about getting **** and actually take care to protect themselves by being in a good corp) are welcomed, bad ones should go play WOW or STO or something.
Lord Arakkis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-07-19 13:07:14 UTC
If you are mining in Hi sec and you are getting blown up...you are falling for what they say is the oldest trick in the book.

Your still a child in the eyes of the universe
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-07-19 13:22:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Lord Arakkis wrote:
If you are mining in Hi sec and you are getting blown up...you are falling for what they say is the oldest trick in the book, *snip*.


I improved your already awesome post & made it more awesome.


*snip* - ISD Type40 - I can do that too - Mallak Azaria


EDIT: Made a snip - ISD Type40

EDIT: Snipped the snipper for snipping an awesome post.

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Lubba Luft
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-07-19 13:25:47 UTC
I sympathize the OP. What I can say is try to understand this:

If you have stuff in your cargohold, and they take up space, what do you do?: Jettison it. Once is out there floating, it's bait for griefers. So understand that jettisoning something, is tossing it because you can't hold it.
But I don't like the fact that griefers can dock while they are under the aggression countdown. That's cowardice and motivates people to grief for the sake of griefing, which is what makes some people unsubscribe.

Nullsec players complain about low population and noone to play with. Well, if you kill someone whose sole source of income was missioning, awas full of implants, forgot to insure and upgrade the clone; that player was set back weeks of gameplay in normal people's life. So griefers are nothing but a nuissance and damage the game and contribute towards the exodus of future players who could make EVE better.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#52 - 2012-07-19 13:29:22 UTC
Lubba Luft wrote:
Well, if you kill someone whose sole source of income was missioning, awas full of implants, forgot to insure and upgrade the clone; that player was set back weeks of gameplay in normal people's life.
…all of which could have been avoided if he just took the time to learn how to play the game.

Quote:
So griefers are nothing but a nuissance and damage the game and contribute towards the exodus of future players who could make EVE better.
Fortunately, griefing is a bannable offence in EVE, and the competitive elements have so far contributed to a continuous influx of players. People who join but who refuse to compete do not make the game better, so if they leave, that's not big loss.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-07-19 13:30:15 UTC
Lubba Luft wrote:
I sympathize the OP. What I can say is try to understand this:

If you have stuff in your cargohold, and they take up space, what do you do?: Jettison it. Once is out there floating, it's bait for griefers. So understand that jettisoning something, is tossing it because you can't hold it.
But I don't like the fact that griefers can dock while they are under the aggression countdown. That's cowardice and motivates people to grief for the sake of griefing, which is what makes some people unsubscribe.

Nullsec players complain about low population and noone to play with. Well, if you kill someone whose sole source of income was missioning, awas full of implants, forgot to insure and upgrade the clone; that player was set back weeks of gameplay in normal people's life. So griefers are nothing but a nuissance and damage the game and contribute towards the exodus of future players who could make EVE better.


Your definition of griefing is not CCP's definition of griefing, which is all that matters. Griefing is bannable when it occurs.

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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#54 - 2012-07-19 13:36:15 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Roisin Corcra wrote:
Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun.


Sure. Leave hi-sec.


Yeah, just leave high sec, though you can expect to be ganked in the first jump or two by gate camping muppets who prey on those venturing into low sec. You people with your one line ill thought replies on this forum never cease to entertain me.


You obviously never ventured there. It's largely empty.
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-07-19 13:38:45 UTC
Welcome to EVE,
As punishment for calling me and many of the other fine denizens of this internet spaceship universe "morons", you must now suffer retaliation for this "social faux pas". Please log into an easy accessible hi-security system, preferably in Caldari space so that I may disrupt your mining ventures however I see fit. If this does not suit your schedule than you may also choose to enroll into your nearest non-NPC corp where upon I can grant you the wisdom an experience that is being "wardeced" Alternatively, you can pay a fine of 500mil ISK to this character to cease all harasment.

Have a wonderful day,
Kyle

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2012-07-19 13:38:48 UTC
A moron comes on the forums, complaining about how everyone else is a moron. Yep, Just another day in GD section.... RollLol

FC, what do?
Xyrrath Actault
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-07-19 13:40:55 UTC
*Points at self destruct option*
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#58 - 2012-07-19 13:42:13 UTC
Yep, the game is designed to provide the maximum freedom to all players, with police system set up to provide penalties in high sec for lawbreaking. However, this gives every player the power to screw you over completely if they so choose.

That is how CCP set up this game for better or worse. If it infuriates you, you are better off just quitting because this will never change.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-07-19 13:45:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Roisin Corcra wrote:
Anybody please tell me, how to play this game without constantly getting harassed by idiotic players, mostly noobs, which are just wasting my time and spoiling any fun. I'm relatively new myself, just getting into the mining and building side of things, and if I want to fight anyone, I'll go into the lowsec. But while I'm not in the mood for fighting, I stay in the hisec and surely there must be a setting or something, that prohibits others to force me into a fight there (well, I usually mine there, so it's just a matter of them shooting me really, not a fight really). It's not even being blown up that's annoying or loosing a ship, it's cheap to replace, but the time wasted in getting blown up (obviously you get webbed and then it takes them 10-20 minutes to destroy a retriever, because they are inept) and wasted in replacing it is really turning me of this game (aside from the fact, that it takes months before you can fly any halfway decent ship).

So, anybody can tell me either way, is there a setting or something, where I can stop those morons? If not, is it actually the intention of this game to do this? If so, I'm out of here, I have to deal with enough morons in real life, and I couldn't be bothered to do so and call it "entertainment". There is other better games out there, some are even free. To think I was even considering getting a second account on the current special offer - uugh.


I would like to point out something to my fellow posters here... the 10-20 minute part might actually be the belt rats killing him and not actual players.

There is no killmail losses on eve-kill or BC.

The op is either a troll... or a Moron, I would go with moron.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-07-19 13:45:28 UTC
I am currently wondering what type of ship would need 10-20 minutes to kill a Retriever, the only answer I can think of would be a noobship with civilian weapons.
A Retreiver can field 5 light drones. I guess within 10-20 minutes those could kill about 20 noobships, even with bad droneskills.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.