Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's precisely why combat WiS shoud be second in the list, not the only deal and one that would require pressing on CCP to be developed.

Replacing NPC service is but a start (pleyer sinks money to NPC to get stuff, then gets ISK from other players not williggn to jump to repair their drones... or who need a clone right here and not the next system... the economy is already there) .

An we can really go with it and contract stations to private enterprises AKA NPC hiring player corporations to "upgrade" stations, stargates, whatever, for a set fee (minimal ISK faucet) and a share of future usage rights (a toll). Or hire shipwrights to build ships for NPCs in player-run assembly lines set in rented space in certain stations.

Of course, whatever is implemented for WiS, can't be made too good or else the nullsec whiners will get it nerfed as they did to Incursions.

This is why WiS should hold more social gameplay than money-making. The value in WiS should be fun and achieving goals, not just making money to compete with the nullsec endgame crap.

And anyway we should know where it's going to end up if WiS becomes exploration only and exploration becomes something where players can shoot each other: people will not hack, will not search, will not lock in rooms, will not explore, they will go shoot true explorers for tears until nobody gives a damm of exploring as there wil be too many griefers waiting to shoot on explorers. Thus exploring will become as succesful as lowsec.

And also is ludicrous beyond words that inmortal demigods will risk their life for whatever silly reward; and if the reward is not silly, if it's something that can be shared amongst n number of explorers in an away team, then likely wil be more profitable than nullsec **** and so nullsec whiners will get it nerfed...

(Anyway, on the whole dieing matter, I already suggested the figure of drone clones, as expendable avatars opposed to the "true" ones not involved in getting killed outside of their pod).

There is a lot of potential, and leaving your CQ to go into a exploration site to be shot dead is not going to be worh it. There's a gazillion games that provide shooter gameplay and dungeon raiding gameplay, and in case somebody doubted it, if i liked those games then I would be playing them instead of EVE... much as i would not play DUST 514 in a million years after seeing the gameplay videos, I am here in EVE because i do like certain borderline aspects of it (and there are no alternatives), not because i feel an urge that EVE becomes a kidn of game that never hooked me.

I believe what Fazmarai's worried about is the possibility that WiS will just mirror the current FiS gameplay, without truly bringing anything new to the table.

Yes, he's stated he doesn't like the idea of getting shot in an exploration run, while I think that would be fun. The worry is the lack of choice in either direction.

Put it blunt, I suck at shooters. I am slow and my eyesight is poor and so i end up dieing the whole time and barely killing anyone. A game like DUST 514, where heavies die in less than 5 seconds, is a nightmareish thought for me. So -amazingly enough- i don't play shooters.

I'll be honest, I'd be happy with a non-combat vision of WiS - we're pilots, not space marines, and the idea of turning Eve on its head and having the supreme demi-gods taken out of their comfort zones, having to sneak around avoiding threats to get to their WiS objectives, sounds a lot more interesting than storming the barricades with a shotgun and blowing away great swathes of NPCs on foot just like we do in our spaceships.

That sounds great until someone leroyjenkins his team because he cans and it haves no consequences. It's absolutely gratuitous and unnecessary.

EVE currently offers a wide range of options to be an ******* and get away with it, and WiS should be free from that plague.

Here is an update on the upcoming devblog in regards to Team Avatar's prototyping efforts.

Here is an update on the upcoming devblog in regards to Team Avatar's prototyping efforts.