EVE General Discussion

Agreed

Thanks for the link m8.

I know the devs have been reading this thread also.

I've been reviewing this entire thread and there are a few thoughts that came to mind.

1) Drawing and keeping interest of new FW players
2) Making the plexing mechanic meaningful
3) Encouraging PvP with a purpose

I'll be the first to admit that I am not a heavy RP'r so I dont do much plexing. I think yesterday was the first time in over a year I hit a plex after reading this forum thread. However, I do love FW and the fights that can ensue. I also can see myself involving myself more in the plexing mechanic if it was more PvP oriented.



I think Bengal Bob has a very good idea here. New FW pilots are often overwhelmed and discouraged from staying in FW because they simply cannot compete with their experience or skill point level. The enthusiastic t1 frigate pilot meets dram in a minor plex and he is killed, over and over, until he asks himself "what is the point?"





Cearain is on to something too. I've yet to completely wrap my head around my thoughts here but NPC's should not be the sole defenders of plexes. Tho Im not sure they should be removed.

Clar Meara is on to something that I think compliments Cearains idea.

Making FW more 'occupancy' focused gives meaning to plexing. Random spawns is a lazy mechanic that lends to no military strategy at all on the part of the player.

Time for out of the box crackpot idea here so bear with me...

FW should be occupancy focused giving benefits 'of some kind' to the occupying militia (as I mentioned before perhaps restrictions on docking at the occupying racial stations and those stations firing on enemies camping it).

Capturing plexes should be strategically thought out, sought after and fought for by the players. What could happen here is that corps can choose which systems to assault up to a certain number (Im thinking 1) per corp. When said system is chosen, it shows up on the player map (similar to number of ships killed in system, etc options) or faction warfar window, commonly brought up in station. It can show as being under assault (even perhaps which corp has chosen to assault it to let people prioritise the threat of the enemy by known reputation and activity) giving players an idea of what systems they should be focusing on for defense or attack. Type of plexes turn up in order and a certain number allowed per day in chosen system until the system is turned.

Plexing can still have NPC's for defense and ranked as Bob suggested to allow new players to have a chance. NPC drops, LP, faction standings and rank awards remaining the same, except of turning a system. Shooting a bunker and turning a system should also carry with it greater benefits (owing towards faction standing, LP and rank) than plexing as it is the fulfillment of a militia members ultimate duty that builds on everyday plexing.

Third party involvement should be nerfed, ie make supers more vulnerable in low sec. Restrict non-milita members from entering militia plexes. Keep pirates pirating and militia members carrying out militia oriented duties. Allow alliances to join or be formed in militia under the banner of the government they choose to serve to balance out pirate alliances that are active in the FW areas camping gates etc. *cough*AMAMAKE** which prevent new players from even getting to a militia fight or plex.

erm.... stepping out on a limb with crackpot idea. maybe more to come, but just some unformed thoughts here. Im sure it will bring some more life to the thread leastways. Enjoy!

Yes an incursion like event that escaltes in time, if it is stopped soon enough it fizzles out, if capsuleers are able to defeat enemy fleets and thus prevent the incursions to build up the invastion (for the moment) is stopped.

If it isn't the ticker start to tick. What these incursion attack where they are located and how they are spawned is a matter for discussion but I like that idea + there is allready a mechanic in game for it regarding the sansha's.



I can pretty much agree with everything you wrote, in light of the fact that attacks should be one by corps/militias. In order to make it pure EVE the defending militias would not know who attack what system just that there are attacks, what corp is exactly attack and with how many players should be done with good old fashioned spies and recon ships. Misdirection is part of warfare.

All players who participated in the attack would be rewarded but those that staked a claim early on could get bigger rewards, who in term could be shared with others (to reward subterfuge).

With the occupancy based and denying of docking rights the fact that logistics would begin to matter is important to. Basicly we need more tools to reward those who support attacks and organise themselves. And the empires must seem to be involved also. Hence the incursions above.

Woot - FW has gotten a boost (kind of...) - aggro log off mechanics + SC changes mean people will have to be more careful hot dropping FW members in low sec!!!!

Still waiting for patch notes - dev blog would be nice even though it is just words not action.

Winter is coming - need a dev blog CCP!!!

This needs a BUMP - any word on the FW improvements CCP???

Thanks Spitfire - by now I'm sure you understand that the FW crowd is a prickly one - years of not being responded to has hardened everyone a bit. Hence, the eggheads who immediately cry foul when a Dev posts a comment and doesnt immediately release a full dev blog and answer to every question within whatever they decide is a reasonable timeframe, which is apparently a matter of hours, not days.

I think what would calm everyone down is simply letting us know whether there is going to be fixes at all this winter expansion - "we're reading this thread" is very different to us than "we're taking into account your feedback from multiple threads and actively working on several fixes, please allow us time to set up a proper dev blog". This is just one of those communication improvement things. I get that you can't release details, but at this point I'm assuming you at least know whether there's going to be fixes at all...

If there isn't going to be time to get to faction warfare for this expansion, I'd just go ahead and rip the band-aid off now, and brace for the flame attack. No point in drawing it out and souring everyone further. If you could just let us know there's actual developments in progress instead of just "we're reading this", hopefully we can silence some of the naysayers and doomsdayers.

Where did all this talk about missioning come from? I must have missed something....

Anyways, I agree, there needs to be more communication with the FW community, that's exactly why I said what I said above, and why I started the other thread, so we could focus on the immediately fixable items.

My only point is that until they confirm or deny whether there will be any changes to FW this expansion, its to early to "call it". 4 days have elapsed - and if they're as busy with actually working on improvements as they say they are than a few days between posts doesn't give off alarm bells for me personally. I'll keep on holding out hope for change until they day they post that "Sorry, nothing's happening this winter".

I empathize though, with your sense of hopelessness - its been a long time, and everyone's emotions are a little raw. Even though the FW community has polarized between the optimists and the pessimists, we're all on the same team, and we all want the same thing.