EVE General Discussion

1) Wrong thread, this isn't a suicide gank whine thread.

2) The idea is bad and you should feel bad.

For messing with newbies? I think the current policy of warning and banning those people is fine. However, we all need to be clear on precisely who is protected.

Report 'em. I don't think anyone in this thread wants to see rookies messed with in rookie systems. We're just split on the best way to achieve the goal of "No rookies were harmed in the making of this rookie system."

Oh, and if they're ITT, Name 'n shame.

I would give the players anything thay could use
1month 2 months 1 year

Dosnt matter the number what matters is have a clear line we shouldnt cross

Of corse gms would still need to work case to case
Some people killed under said number may have more than one accout more than one toon on there account and while thay may be playing on a young toon there still not bye any means a rookie

That part would be for the gms to decide
But at least with this number a player would be able to know without any dought if i attack this person i may have bad things happen to my account

Also ide like to ask about corp agro for instance ive gain corp aggrestion to a person in a player owned corp this person isnt a rookie but is doing a mission with or for a rookie
there both fireing on me Not killing the rookie may keep me form being able to blow up the none rookie should i worry about a ban here ?

lots of pages, didnt read, but here:

a) properly inform newbies of the mechanics that allow others to shoot them
b) base it on something other than system alone, as there can be valid targets for ganking, baiting, stealing from, etc in newbie systems (and newbie systems aren't clearly marked to begin with - I certainly don't know them ALL - and to top it off it was recently extended to a few other systems, with further talk of extending it to lustrevik and hek, which is so ridiculously stupid I don't know where to start...)

This is a very easy question. You cannot fly anything but a tech 1 frigate or destroyer on a trial account (maybe a cruiser too?). If you see someone in any other ship then they have paid for an account, ccp has their money, fire away.

There is a coding solution to this issue. Vague rules pushed upon the community via non-in-game medium is not the way to approach this. My ability to gank rookies within the mechanics of your game is your problem, own it. Stop pushing the moderation of that activity back on your end user.

If the game allows it, it will be done. New people try new things every day in this game, which will routinely end in some rookie in some rookie system getting ganked. This is not the problem of either pilot, it is a CCP problem that CCP needs to address via the game and not moderation.

• Sandbox
• Bullies exist in all avenues of EVE, it is foundational for a PvP enviornment. The weak are prey. When they grow strong they will in turn become predators. Why interfere outside of nurturing your own financial interests? If the sole reason is to retain subscriptions, why risk these outcomes on behavioral altering? Simply code a solution and be done with it.
• Rookies can be scammed for all they possess without consequence in Jita (4 jumps from a rookie system) but not have their Free Rookie Ships blown up without someone getting warned/banned. Which is worse? Which is more detrimental? Which behavior is more taboo when compared to all other MMOs on the planet? Recognize this flaw in logic.
• The draw to this game for many (certainly not all) people is PvP with consequence. As you coddle your new player base, the PvP hungry subsect gets a watered down experience. Is this intended?
• Sandbox

The problem for CCP's GM is this: If they define the rules specifically then the smart players of EVE will figure out ways to make use of any newbie immunity rules.

For example, if the definition for a 'rookie' is under 10 days played. What is to stop an experienced player from picking up a new account and making a new character on that new account and running high value cargo? Or going into the middle of 0.0 to cause some mischief?

Looking at the situation, there is something there that would indicate the new player as not a rookie. But, within the game's rule system they would be considered one.

So if time on the account doesn't work, how about skill points? We have the same problem. Veterans making new characters to make use of the rookie benefits.

To me this leaves two alternatives for EVE:

The first is to do what CCP is doing and leaving the definition of rookie open-ended and subject to interpretation in any given event. Unfortunately, this causes confusion for the players and creates "special" circumstances that are subject to calls of favoritism or unfairness.

The second, which I would prefer since it gets rid of the interpretation, is to create newbie starting zones. A small system that is not accessible from the EVE Universe as a whole. When a rookie feels ready to enter the game proper they go through a wormhole and can never go back. This start system would only be available to brand new accounts and only for a limited period. Alts would start in the existing corporation systems.

This way there are no questions about who is a newbie and who isn't. There is no confusion. And, rookies are 'protected' (in that they would only be up against other new characters with similar skills and resources - although nothing would stop veterans from creating brand new accounts to access the system) within the rookie system. The rookie system should have limited resources within it and it could force players out of it when they reach a certain skill point level.

There would need to be 'safe guards' to keep larger ships out of the rookie system. Perhaps the manufacturing could be restricted solely to what the initial manufacturing missions suggest. This would prevent players from creating manufacturing characters and building 'advanced' ships / stuff in the system.

I dunno, it seems to me that if CCP is serious about protecting new players and providing them with a positive new player experience they need to revamp their new game experience. To me, this has always been where EVE Online is weak. I would love to see retention numbers of new player accounts.

There is a lot more that could be done to make EVE Online more appealing / attention grabbing for new players. The revamp to the initial missions was a great step but it isn't enough. More can and should be done.

one problem with that is one of the starter tutorial agents sends you out of system (basicly teaching you how to navigate from a-b in eve) one possibility is to give newbie accounts a flag that allows them to jump in and out of the starter systems, and gates set so if your a older char, you just simply CAN NOT jump into said system due to not having said flag and peronaly would say 30 days not 14, buddy invites are 21 days iirc and occasionaly ccp gives out 30 day trial keys, other option is ships trial accounts can NOT fly cant jump into system ie mining barges/exhumers which means you dont have older players sat in relative safety in a rookie system stripping out all the roids and leaving nothing for the newbie players (some of the tutorial agents require trit to complete, either directly as trit or indirectly as made items)
another option is players older than 30 days, if they jump into a rookie system or undocks in a rookie system (ie make older players leave and stay out of the rookie systems) is to have it so concord automaticaly shoots them, after that no older players are going to go near the rookie systems with a bargepole lol, problem solved with regards to older players, with regards to newbie chars doing it (ie older players) when they try to lock up people in the newbie systems have a large warning box coming up citing some examples of what is not allowed within the boundrys of a rookie system and that the actions their trying to initiate WILL result in a temp ban including other accounds that player may hold on eve, usualy peoples multiple accounts are linked in numerous ways so wont be hard in some cases for ccp to reach and temp ban most if not all of someones other accounts
and CCP could clarify the rules 7 ways to sunday and someone would STILL find a loophole in said clarified rules and exploit it.

think back to your first time playing eve being a day or 2 old and the things you used to do back then that now you look back on and go "wtf was i thinking?" generaly newbies have NO clue on a lot of things including how agression etc works, concord intervention etc. basicly complete newbies are just that, newbies with no idea.
too harsh from the get go and newbies aren't going to stick round and learn this game and long term lack of new subscribers WILL hurt eve as a whole.
PS if you REALLY want to gank newbies that badly, why not just goto the lowsec system right next door to where the epic soe story arc npc - is based (Arnon)