EVE General Discussion

FiS is the priority of the winter expansion, I can guarantee there won't be establishments in it. We don't even have the 3 other captains quarters yet, so obviously the art assets for establishments are not yet done. As for the multiplayer networking for player avatars, I bet that's still in development as well.

If I were to guess, judging by my 10+ expansions that I've seen CCP roll out over the years, I'd say that winter will have the other captains quarters, the expansion after will let you invite other people to your room (and have a few other WiS features), and the expansion after will have the first iteration of establishments.

To be frank, Incarna had no content, Tyrannis was a minigame, and Dominion was a failure. The last good (and man was it good) expansion that we had was Apocrypha 1.5 years ago, so CCP has a ton of catching up to do to ensure that players have a reason to play the game. They took verbal flak, and CCP has recently started to lose a fair share of subscribers. The next 2 expansions will almost certainly be centered around engaging gameplay content.

Lets see at the changes planned and then lets think how this could possibly hinder them to continue with WiS, if they felt committed:

Hybrid weapons balancing --> Takes some math genius as a ressource.
Factional warfare --> mostly quest scripters I guess.
Assault ships --> Math genius again.
Capital ship balancing --> Mr Math again
New T2 modules --> Some icon designer & Mr Math
Starbase logistics management --> see above
New EWAR-Drones --> see above
T2 Rigs manufacturing --> see above
Ship spinning --> done...
New font --> done
More captains quarters --> Done. These are the people working on Incarna and WOD. I highly doubt they need much time from the rest.
Time dilation --> Genius progger and database admin.

So: Mainly it is probably about progress not being fast enough in the Incarna team. The rest is mostly an excuse.

Also, will the above really change much for FiS?

0.0 is supposed to be a lawless place were large groups of players can carve out their own empires and then defend them constantly. It should be a place where you're constantly at war and on your toes. Now... Will the above changes really change much to improve that feeling?

Low Sec is supposed to be a haven for pirates. Do I get extra-Tortuga feeling out of those changes?

Factional Warfare theoretically could be interesting. In the end I'm sure you get a few more missions and perhaps two stations or so.

The rest are small changes.

Talking to me?
If you would be able to read thoroughly, you would see that I think they could do both at the same time?

Yes, it is always funny to see the huge number of geniuses on this forum humbling me so efficiently.
I will now crawl back into my cave, embarassed by all the genius your postings on this forum usually express.

I know what many of you want. You want meaningful FW, as in: Your actions will affect the game universe for other players and the FW players.

That would actually make me join you. But I doubt you get that on the scale you want it, sarcasm aside.

Also, it wasn't my point. My point was avatar and station designers will likely not be needed to improve FW and the other things on the list, so it is likely just an excuse by CCP because said avatar & station designers cannot deliver in time.

And I'm surprised: I thought next you'd tell me you are one of the thousands of game designers on this forum. Perhaps you are not as bad as I thought.

No I don't think anyone really expects anything much from any FW "revamp".

What most of us would like is an end to the exploits - even when CCP say they aren't, because it takes too long to fix.

Example - I can have an alt in the Amarr FW corp rep me in the Minnie FW corp while fighting the Amarr FW corp.

He receives no standing hit but should anyone on the Amarr side shoot him then they take a BIG faction standing hit.

I'm quite happy for it to be possible to rep someone in the opposing faction but it should have consequences. It doesn't.

Now we know CCP CAN fix this nonsense because they fixed something very similar in Incursions so its not beyond the wit of man (or Icelander). The question is will they?

That's just the tip of the iceberg regarding FW.

What you're talking about is flipping systems - won't happen IMHO as it will put players off trying it. Having your "stuff" in a station you can't dock in is null-sec sov gaming, not FW.

See what I mean about not understanding

Establishments need content. Given the blogs I think we will not see them until there is content. Otherwise they would just be a fashion show. Content CCP has talked about is gambling, and contraband.

Contraband needs new FiS content as well so player enforcers can try and stop player smugglers.

Multi-player environments, gambling, and all the contraband stuff needs programmers, so it may be hard to fit it in with the other stuff on the list.

But it would be nice for CCP to tell us: Establishments this winter: On the list? Off the list? Or a solid maybe?

While I do not mind the refocus to improving the spaceship aspect of the game, I do hope that the Incarna portions get fleshed out. I think, at this point, it's obvious that the more ambitious content of Incarna is unfinished, and that CCP would rather not release an unfinished product again unless they're willing to receive the same backlash they received this summer. (Doubtful.)

On top of this, when are those new nebulae coming out?

That is what I needed to hear. Accounts cancelled.

bye then