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Establishments in Winter 2011 Expansion, yes or no?

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
Just let it happen
#81 - 2011-10-06 20:53:33 UTC
Grateler wrote:
...........

smuggling sounds like a concept at best and I wonder exactly how much fun that could be, surely it would just be walking to an avatar and back to ship ?



From fanfest, the idea was you would buy stuff face to face establishments, stuff that was illegal and could only be sold there, "off the grid". Other players would take the place of the customs NPCs you see at stargates. They would scan your ship, and if it had illegal items in it they would get rights to shot you or set you to shoot-on-sight by anyone and everyone unless you paid a ransom.. I mean a fine, yes a fine.

It was Incarna content that tied to flying in space PvP content. And now we have to wait for it.

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#82 - 2011-10-06 21:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
I want WiS. I do not mind so much if it takes longer, but I would appreciate more self-reflection in the capabilities of their teams from CCP in the future. Spell that HONESTY. If I'm sure I miss a deadline because the goal is impossible, I tell management. Yes, I work in a very different sector of IT but still...

Also some refocussing on non-combat flying in space stuff would be nice. There are a lot of things you can do in space, even if some people get orgasms killing miners. (Who - honestly - should then start hiring mercs instead of mimimi) Perhaps the only thing not blue to them.

In the end I think both FiS shouters and WiS fans will be kind of disillusioned by the few changes that will be made in the "Winter Expansion".

And yes, I like spaceships and spend 90% of my EVE time in one. And yes, I'm a RPler too and like avatars that can meet.

So, remember, we all are players. If you hate Avatars, go back to ship spinning. You never will have to touch it.

But that guy now creating textures for another vampire chick could have made some of your fellow players happy too. He is not a resource missing in EVE development, I think.

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#83 - 2011-10-06 21:06:45 UTC
Honestly, I think the whole concept of incarna was wrong. CCP repeatedly stated that there would be no combat involved like FPS-style killing sprees.
Considering that the majority of eve players go great lenghts just to blow stuff up and watch shiny ships go boom I find it hard to believe that any of them would find a "pacifistic" environment for their avatars enjoyable.
If CCP wants the players to accept WiS, it will not work without combat.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
Just let it happen
#84 - 2011-10-06 21:09:17 UTC
Tristan North wrote:
mkint wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:


Anyway, looking at it form a perspective. How many play EOH poker? why not be able to play it in game at a real table with avatars?

why use avatars when a regular window interface would work better?


Why use spaceships when colored squares would work better?



Exactly. The entire idea of having gambling and contraband sales in establishments is to avoid having another "spreadsheet in space" type feature.

EvE is not a text based adventure game.

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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
#85 - 2011-10-06 21:14:35 UTC
Wait a minute, wernt th ecrying threads about how Incarna wasnt wanted and that rebalancing spaceships and doing all stuff liek thats was what should really be done? And now it looks like it might be, the same people are going to whine about how Incarna isnt coming out fast enough? Whoda thunk...

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Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2011-10-06 21:14:58 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
CCP Solomon wrote:
Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that don’t want it). However, we think you’ll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature was… well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

It’s humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when it’s ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.



That is what I needed to hear. Accounts cancelled.



can i have your stuff? you can contract it to this character. I will send my freighter alt to pick it up. kthx!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#87 - 2011-10-06 21:15:30 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Wait a minute, wernt th ecrying threads about how Incarna wasnt wanted and that rebalancing spaceships and doing all stuff liek thats was what should really be done? And now it looks like it might be, the same people are going to whine about how Incarna isnt coming out fast enough? Whoda thunk...


I bolded the wrong part.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
Just let it happen
#88 - 2011-10-06 21:19:05 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Wait a minute, wernt th ecrying threads about how Incarna wasnt wanted and that rebalancing spaceships and doing all stuff liek thats was what should really be done? And now it looks like it might be, the same people are going to whine about how Incarna isnt coming out fast enough? Whoda thunk...



Different people. Alot of us do like seeing our avatars and do want multi-player environments.

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#89 - 2011-10-06 21:26:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
CCP Solomon wrote:
Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that don’t want it). However, we think you’ll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature was… well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

It’s humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when it’s ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.


Eventually... that partially adresses my 2 main issues with Incarna:

Issue #1: Too few time to deliver it in the schedule suggested. I always thought of the "real" Incarna as a 2012 feature at best. Sure your team could deliver something this winter, CCP Solomon, but NOT the real stuff, rather yet another half cooked, poorly optimized feature. And probably with a severe case of my...

Issue #2: What can Incarna do for my game experience? Smuggle boosters? I never touched a booster with a ten feet pole. Boosters are not a part of my gameplay. What do I want from Incarna? First of all, I want NPCs. Because my life in New Eden is spent in stations where I barely can see 8 other guys docked at once and playing all roles of the play because of being alone in a big empty station doesn't suits my taste. What else? I want some 20th century technology. I want a holo-chat to speak with people in the other corner of the universe & interact with their virtual personae, rather than a silly text box in the lower left corner of my screen. More things? I want public spaces (theaters?) that can be rent/hired/whatever to hold public events: give awards, corporate meetings, employer of the month parties, whatever. Military parades by dust bunnies, beauty contests, roleplaying sessions, any events that the players can develop on their own to fill the void without a need to have a huge corporarion that owes the "establishment", just hire it, do your stuff, then leave. More? I want to have a gazillion emotes, i want to kiss, hug, slap, spit, hifive or just touch other players. I want to be able to dance a tango or waltz with a man i like (or a woman!) or do some line dancing or a jig or whatever... just some thoughts of the top of my head, but I guess you see the pattern...

I want that Incarna allows people to have fun by socializing rather than trying to kill each other.

And now you got TIME to work towards that.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2011-10-06 21:34:43 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Tristan North wrote:
mkint wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:


Anyway, looking at it form a perspective. How many play EOH poker? why not be able to play it in game at a real table with avatars?

why use avatars when a regular window interface would work better?


Why use spaceships when colored squares would work better?



Exactly. The entire idea of having gambling and contraband sales in establishments is to avoid having another "spreadsheet in space" type feature.

EvE is not a text based adventure game.



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You see a blaster.

"Get ye blaster."

You cannot get ye blaster.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#91 - 2011-10-06 21:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Desert Ice78
CCP Solomon wrote:
Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that don’t want it). However, we think you’ll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature was… well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

It’s humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when it’s ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.


So in other words, you are not going to launch half-finished, half-baked, bug riddled content?? And instead lauched polished content, when it is actually ready?

No complaints here.....

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CCP Solomon
C C P
C C P Alliance
#92 - 2011-10-06 21:41:30 UTC
Just incase there was any uncertainty, yes, we are refocussing on spaceships, but don't put your spacelegs away just yet, they will be needed Big smile

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#93 - 2011-10-06 21:44:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Honestly, I think the whole concept of incarna was wrong. CCP repeatedly stated that there would be no combat involved like FPS-style killing sprees.
Considering that the majority of eve players go great lenghts just to blow stuff up and watch shiny ships go boom I find it hard to believe that any of them would find a "pacifistic" environment for their avatars enjoyable.
If CCP wants the players to accept WiS, it will not work without combat.


Which is an illusion created by current PVP shoutbox, because there are a lot of people enjoying other parts of EVE.
Like the ones constructing said shiny space ships or the ones mining the stuff to build shiny space ships or those who like to explore more than to shoot spaceships and the glorious CSM did nothing/not much for them.

I do like the open PVP approach EVE takes, but blowing up spaceships sincerly is not all.

A few years ago there were many initiatives around EVE that were quite good and player organized events.
Lately the talk has been all around pew-pew. If I want pew-pew ONLY I play Lost4Dead or one of the other shooters I have installed.

EVE used to be an intelligent game that made you think out of the box.

Now go kiss some lower backs in 0-Sec, k?

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2011-10-06 21:47:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Well, i actually hoped for the establishments,
because i thought they are almost done already.

Tbh, i was really forward looking to the games CCP presented at the last fanfest.

That said ... i'm glad that you finally extend and fix the simulation again. :)

WHERE'S MY SHINY ????????!!!!!!! :D *lol*


Also, if you want to add content to the quarter,
ADD MINIGAMES AND A WAY WE CAN PLAY AGAINST EACHOTHER,
MAYBE ON THE BIG SCREEN OR HOWEVER !

THINK !
ABOUT !
IT !

:)

I KNOW there are plenty of people not caring about this,
but i also know there are quite some people who'd enjoy it. :)

Like ... myself.
Gimme a chess. checkers. go. TIC-TAC-TOE ! :)

Competition ! :)
Everything that keeps people happy and busy ! :)

Or that strange game you've shown on fanfest, which took place in the establishment,
I REALLY WANT TO LAY MY HANDS ON THIS ONE !!! *lol*


Oh well... :)
Juil
Royal Society for Prevention of Cruilty to Drones
#95 - 2011-10-06 21:49:37 UTC
CCP Solomon wrote:
Just incase there was any uncertainty, yes, we are refocussing on spaceships, but don't put your spacelegs away just yet, they will be needed Big smile



Why so you can promise more stuff and then 'push it away' when you miss your deadlines?

Since 2006 you have been promising Ambulation as it was back then, then the last 2 fan fests you've been hyping about incarna.. you've told us that we would finally be given the keys to the station that we could interact in a avatar.. that we could leave the ship and start to explore the OTHER side of eve.. and that you would be giving us the tools to make what we wished of it...


Now your saying sorry summer expansion was a big aprils fools joke.. and once again we are not finishing and deliviering on what we have promsied.


And yes I know people are going to flame me for this but I was looking forward to Incarna in it's full not for what it is at the moment.. but for what it promised.. Making more of the EVE SANDBOX into an actual SANDBOX. I love my Space Ships, but I also love being able to escape from that reality and Incarna if it was anything like they had hyped on about at fanfest would have given you something akin to what Second Life has managed.. only with better content and better graphics.

People seem to think that because there is no 'actual' solid game play defined by CCP that sorry it's not a feature.. but that's the point, Eve is not meant to be 'this is how you play, this is what you do and that is that' Eve is meant to be a Sandbox, it's meant to be 'here are the tools, go and make the game play you want'... and Incarna had the hint of that finally TRUELY becoming something.. from being able to put tattoo's all over my Avatar's body, to making an establishment to finally maybe making all those worthless dancers I have useful etc..

It had the possiblity of opening up entire new Industrial area's for those who are Industrialists... manufacturing entire new sets of items for the AVATAR side of the game..

and yet instead we got NeX and now we get yet another dropped expansion.. half finished and from CCP's track record.. never to BE finished.

Thanks for lieing for the past several years CCP.. and for getting peoples hopes up at a fantastic feature only to again scrap it.
Denidil
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2011-10-06 21:50:14 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:


That is what I needed to hear. Accounts cancelled.


your stuff, contract it to me in Jita 4-4.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Tristan North
The Scope
#97 - 2011-10-06 23:13:58 UTC
Denidil wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:


That is what I needed to hear. Accounts cancelled.


your stuff, contract it to me in Jita 4-4.


Just +1 who wrote it before you, after you read it 2 times it becomes irritating.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#98 - 2011-10-06 23:21:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
CCP Solomon wrote:
Just incase there was any uncertainty, yes, we are refocussing on spaceships, but don't put your spacelegs away just yet, they will be needed Big smile


To kick some lower backs? I have real legs... ;) But you can buy me a beer at fanfest and I might forgive you the troll post.
Oh, forgot. I cannot kick your assets, as YOU cannot meet me in my CQ. Darn!

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Raven Aldura
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2011-10-06 23:23:25 UTC
CCP Solomon wrote:
Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that don’t want it). However, we think you’ll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature was… well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

It’s humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when it’s ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.


Well, that sucks. I guess Ill be back when you guys get serious about avatar gameplay. Ive only been waiting 3 years (or whatever). I'm going to go wait somewhere else. CCP please don't bring incarna up again until you mean it. This tease has gone on long enough. Screw this.
Ni Cho
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2011-10-06 23:33:03 UTC
CCP Solomon wrote:
Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that don’t want it). However, we think you’ll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature was… well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

It’s humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when it’s ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.



I am all for this Incarna stuff people complained about CCP not doing for many years before I even played Eve Online: a sometimes crappy game. I am glad to see the space ship crap being worked on, since you know, I am a starship captain and all that crap.

Just make sure you roll out that Incarna crap right and with **** people can do, maybe even with out blowing up our computers... Big smile

I want my Sexual Enhancement shop to be of the same high quality as the ding dongs I will be peddling.

But I want spaceship crap to be right/nice/fixed/cool FIRST.