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Prometheus, a film by Ridley Scott

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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2012-06-13 13:12:44 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I saw the CCP subliminal advertising on the captains shirt... *golf clap*

http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/7317/original/wey.jpg?1338330841
When WiS really goes live, there better be aliens, I say.

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SpaceSquirrels
#62 - 2012-06-13 14:53:24 UTC
Was discussing this with a friend the other day. I think audiences for movies tv etc. Expect everything to be wrapped up and explained. Take stories in novels, comic books etc, and they can leave you hanging or not answer all questions. Why is it allowed in one medium, but not the other? Furthermore where is it written that "

ALL QUESTIONS MUST BE ANSWERED OR EASILY DERIVED?" I don't recall signing that form. Granted it would be **** poor authoring to allow major gaps. But the major question/plot point was answered in the film...Rather bluntly too might I add. (WTF is going on on this here planet, and we're we made?)

This isn't so much a criticism rather an observation. But most people I see with anger in their bellies at this film are nit picking small points, such as (Why did aliens run into the container room?) (Was the goo a weapon or...mutagen, birth giver...XYZ theory.) (Why are those guys so jacked? I saw no signs of a gym anywhere on that ******* planet!!!)

That or many are feeling childhood nostalgia over the first 1 which btw everything seems more awesome when you were a kid... It's called being a kid.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-06-13 15:49:38 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Was discussing this with a friend the other day. I think audiences for movies tv etc. Expect everything to be wrapped up and explained. Take stories in novels, comic books etc, and they can leave you hanging or not answer all questions. Why is it allowed in one medium, but not the other? Furthermore where is it written that "

ALL QUESTIONS MUST BE ANSWERED OR EASILY DERIVED?" I don't recall signing that form. Granted it would be **** poor authoring to allow major gaps. But the major question/plot point was answered in the film...Rather bluntly too might I add. (WTF is going on on this here planet, and we're we made?)

This isn't so much a criticism rather an observation. But most people I see with anger in their bellies at this film are nit picking small points, such as (Why did aliens run into the container room?) (Was the goo a weapon or...mutagen, birth giver...XYZ theory.) (Why are those guys so jacked? I saw no signs of a gym anywhere on that ******* planet!!!)

That or many are feeling childhood nostalgia over the first 1 which btw everything seems more awesome when you were a kid... It's called being a kid.


Because if a book is worth it they'll make a movie out of it Cool

Movie answered all my questions. Where the aliens really came from has been the question since the 70s

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C C P
C C P Alliance
#64 - 2012-06-13 16:58:36 UTC
hmm I really didn't like it...

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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-06-13 19:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Pew
CCP Affinity wrote:
hmm I really didn't like it...
So we'll have no aliens in stations... Cry

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Mund Richard
#66 - 2012-06-13 23:17:32 UTC
I liked the promo vid for it more than the movie itself! Shocked

Apparently making a phenomenal visual orgasm is more important than making sense.
I've read a long explanation on the stuff.
Some of it made sense in a weird alien way.
I like it, if aliens make sense in a not-so-human way.
But most of it felt more like trying to explain why it's not just random scenes in a row and aliens behaving as it suits the plot(background).

Apart from the aliens not making much sane sense (sanity is for the weak anyways), the rest of the movie had too many moments that felt like they were supposed to be scary and shocking, but having seen it way ahead only the visual had an impact.
I can turn on the news and see scenes of accidents or crimes, that have an impact if I consider what happened and what is behind the mosaics/wrecks.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2012-06-13 23:40:45 UTC
I liked it! there was space, explosions, and it began with a guy killing himself with acid stuff that made his genetic stuff go somewhere else Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Hunter Ace
Fuctifino
#68 - 2012-06-14 15:36:01 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Was discussing this with a friend the other day. I think audiences for movies tv etc. Expect everything to be wrapped up and explained. Take stories in novels, comic books etc, and they can leave you hanging or not answer all questions. Why is it allowed in one medium, but not the other? Furthermore where is it written that "

ALL QUESTIONS MUST BE ANSWERED OR EASILY DERIVED?" I don't recall signing that form. Granted it would be **** poor authoring to allow major gaps. But the major question/plot point was answered in the film...Rather bluntly too might I add. (WTF is going on on this here planet, and we're we made?)

This isn't so much a criticism rather an observation. But most people I see with anger in their bellies at this film are nit picking small points, such as (Why did aliens run into the container room?) (Was the goo a weapon or...mutagen, birth giver...XYZ theory.) (Why are those guys so jacked? I saw no signs of a gym anywhere on that ******* planet!!!)

That or many are feeling childhood nostalgia over the first 1 which btw everything seems more awesome when you were a kid... It's called being a kid.


I agree. I think part of the point of the plot was that there would be more questions.

It would have been far less believable to me if they had showed up on this alien world and within the space of 24 hours or so derived the answers for all the questions they came for.

Loved this movie. Can't wait to see it again.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#69 - 2012-06-14 18:21:39 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
ALL QUESTIONS MUST BE ANSWERED OR EASILY DERIVED?


Stories without a conclusion are not stories; just a bunch of stuff that happens to characters in a situation.

If, at the end, there was a 'to be concluded/continued', then fine.

If you raise a question directly related to the main plot or one or more of the main characters, and then do not answer the question - that is poor story telling as you have not told the conclusion of the story.

I'd even go with the classic 'and they lived happily ever after' if it was justified, at least that concludes the story.

Said it on the other page; flying off to never-never-land does not conclude a story.

AK

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Evet Morrel
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-06-28 00:22:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Evet Morrel
I found this, I hope you find it fascinating - it contains spoilers however.

Prometheus Mysteries Analysis part 2

It fails to make the turd smell any better but ....
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-06-28 03:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
I'm convinced that some directors just can't conceptualize the way normal humans act or react. Sure, not every person will react the same way in a situation, but there is a range of normal human reactions that make sense.

For example, if you are on a hostile alien world and there is an almost cobra-like hissing creature snaking up from a pool of creepy black ooze, the normal human response, especially if you're a scientist, is probably not to poke it with your ******* hand and giggle like a god damned idiot.

Also, why was the crew of the Magellan so carefree about losing their own lives? I can understand the captain sacrificing himself. You can even make an argument for one of the other crew members staying - the one who said the captain is a bad pilot. But even then, is the captain such a bad pilot that he can't ram the ship into another, massive ship on his own? But, fine, let's assume he was. So why did the third guy stick around? He literally just decided for no good reason "Well I might as well die with these two."
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-06-28 03:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Jada Maroo wrote:
I'm convinced that some directors just can't conceptualize the way normal humans act or react. Sure, not every person will react the same way in a situation, but there is a range of normal human reactions that make sense.

For example, if you are on a hostile alien world and there is an almost cobra-like hissing creature snaking up from a pool of creepy black ooze, the normal human response, especially if you're a scientist, is probably not to poke it with your ******* hand and giggle like a god damned idiot.

Also, why was the crew of the Magellan so carefree about losing their own lives? I can understand the captain sacrificing himself. You can even make an argument for one of the other crew members staying - the one who said the captain is a bad pilot. But even then, is the captain such a bad pilot that he can't ram the ship into another, massive ship on his own? But, fine, let's assume he was. So why did the third guy stick around? He literally just decided for no good reason "Well I might as well die with these two."


It's a military concept, that kind of survivor's guilt isn't something you want

*Edit: also where the hell was he supposed to go? Live on the exhaust pipe planet till his air supply runs out? P

Oh wait, go with the crazy chick to the planet populated by the things that tried to kill you!

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Hunter Ace
Fuctifino
#73 - 2012-06-28 15:34:51 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
I'm convinced that some directors just can't conceptualize the way normal humans act or react. Sure, not every person will react the same way in a situation, but there is a range of normal human reactions that make sense.

For example, if you are on a hostile alien world and there is an almost cobra-like hissing creature snaking up from a pool of creepy black ooze, the normal human response, especially if you're a scientist, is probably not to poke it with your ******* hand and giggle like a god damned idiot.

Also, why was the crew of the Magellan so carefree about losing their own lives? I can understand the captain sacrificing himself. You can even make an argument for one of the other crew members staying - the one who said the captain is a bad pilot. But even then, is the captain such a bad pilot that he can't ram the ship into another, massive ship on his own? But, fine, let's assume he was. So why did the third guy stick around? He literally just decided for no good reason "Well I might as well die with these two."


It's a military concept, that kind of survivor's guilt isn't something you want

*Edit: also where the hell was he supposed to go? Live on the exhaust pipe planet till his air supply runs out? P

Oh wait, go with the crazy chick to the planet populated by the things that tried to kill you!


Exactly, those guys stayed because they knew, beyond all certainty, that they were going to die....so why not die in a big explosion?

As for the scientist dude abandoning common sense....he was a alien biologist, he's probably spent his entire life searching for extraterrestrial life of any kind and this was very well the first alien creature he had encountered. Scientists are crazy like that.
Evet Morrel
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-06-30 12:44:13 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
I'm convinced that some directors just can't conceptualize the way normal humans act or react. Sure, not every person will react the same way in a situation, but there is a range of normal human reactions that make sense.

For example, if you are on a hostile alien world and there is an almost cobra-like hissing creature snaking up from a pool of creepy black ooze, the normal human response, especially if you're a scientist, is probably not to poke it with your ******* hand and giggle like a god damned idiot.

Also, why was the crew of the Magellan so carefree about losing their own lives? I can understand the captain sacrificing himself. You can even make an argument for one of the other crew members staying - the one who said the captain is a bad pilot. But even then, is the captain such a bad pilot that he can't ram the ship into another, massive ship on his own? But, fine, let's assume he was. So why did the third guy stick around? He literally just decided for no good reason "Well I might as well die with these two."


Agreed it seemed odd but for me it wasn't that it was inherently implausible but that the noblest act in the film had little or no emotional impact.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#75 - 2012-06-30 14:02:12 UTC
It is a poor film by his standards.

Watched Alien again the other night and the gulf in class is obvious.

Great cast for Prometheus ; People like Guy Pierce who's screen time was wasted in some aweful make up job.
Charlize Theron, wasted as some grumpy 2d eye candy.

Then there's the terrible plot.

The guy with the map things getting lost,
The map man randomly coming back as some super ghoul attacking the crew
The robot murdering one of the archeologists
The engineers just being fail in general

Dont even get me started on the main woman's surgery.

It was very disappointing. Even Alien 3 beat this steaming pile. Ridley lost some respect from me as this appears to be a cash in flick.
:(
Arkturus McFadden
Anukar
#76 - 2012-07-01 13:52:45 UTC
I don't know about you guys. But the racial archetypes in EVE Online were incredibly evident in that film :]


Made it that much more enjoyable I think!
Razin
The Scope
#77 - 2012-07-02 14:04:57 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:


I actually sort of want to see it now just for the lolz.

Seems like a frustrating experience on the whole. Like they had masters of their craft and incompetent baboons in the same team making the film. You get a taste of a masterpiece and what the movie could have been, but the bad is too strong to ignore and turns the overall experience sour.

That's a good way of putting it. The bad parts are so bad, and there are so many of them, that they blot out everything else.
Razin
The Scope
#78 - 2012-07-02 14:23:39 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:

This isn't so much a criticism rather an observation. But most people I see with anger in their bellies at this film are nit picking small points, such as (Why did aliens run into the container room?) (Was the goo a weapon or...mutagen, birth giver...XYZ theory.) (Why are those guys so jacked? I saw no signs of a gym anywhere on that ******* planet!!!)

I don't know man, most reviews of the film that I read ask why this trillion-dollar first contact mission was staffed by some of the most boring idiots in the movie history before nitpicking about holograms and alien conniving.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#79 - 2012-07-03 11:09:14 UTC
Razin wrote:
I don't know man, most reviews of the film that I read ask why this trillion-dollar first contact mission was staffed by some of the most boring idiots in the movie history before nitpicking about holograms and alien conniving.


Most reviews musta forgot it was privately funded.

NASA it was not.

If I had a trillion dollars, I wouldn't fly off to some remote part of the galaxy, I'd just put a big satellite dish on the moon, so people could look at it and say "that's no moon..."

AK

This space for rent.
Razin
The Scope
#80 - 2012-07-03 17:33:07 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Razin wrote:
I don't know man, most reviews of the film that I read ask why this trillion-dollar first contact mission was staffed by some of the most boring idiots in the movie history before nitpicking about holograms and alien conniving.


Most reviews musta forgot it was privately funded.

NASA it was not.

Because a CEO of a large and powerful corporation would hire obvious idiots to accompany him on a mission that may cost him his life?