Missions & Complexes

A lot of high sec systems have a high rate of ship destruction, because of the higher population density, but the value of ships destroyed is disproportionately low. But either way, you are not in any appreciable danger running a mag site, radar, incursion or mission in high sec.

In low sec running mags or radars will get you dead eventually, no matter how careful you are. Incursions are a bit different, their design is somewhat flawed for low/null sec to be honest. It is easy to chase people out of sites, or gate camp the entrances to the incursion systems, but since the sites themselves are gated you cannot really catch them in them. (Not unless ten people miss d-scan and none of them have an alt for the entrance anyway.)

And I don't know what you're bringing RvB into it for, that doesn't really have anything to do with risk vs. reward in making ISK.


Not really, there is already danger involved in farming ISK in most of the profitable areas of low sec. Local intel is devalued by the number of people in the systems, and it is hard to identify known pirates when there are so many pirates there anyway.

It could do with improving though, I made a thread about it a few days ago if you want to drop in a comment.


True, the further out of empire you get the more powerful local is due to the decreased number of hostiles. However those deep SOV ratting systems do take considerable effort to hold, the risk may not exist in terms of targetting the ratters themselves but the ship destruction certainly occurs in terms of CTA fleets.

IIRC the most ship destruction in the game occurs in null sec, materials wise. The number of ships destroyed in high sec is higher, but the sheer material cost of battleships, battle cruisers, supers and titans lost in SOV warfare dwarves that of those lost in high sec.


What you are describing here is segregated theme park MMO game play, the main idea of a sandbox is competing and fighting for limited resources.

In most space, aka low sec or null sec, players fight for space. You compete over complexes, anomalies and you fight to either take other people's stuff or you try and avoid having your stuff taken. Segregating PvE and PvP in the way you describe, where people grind ISK in high sec raids to partake in artificial PvP later in low sec, is not a sandbox MMO concept.

(Hint: Eve is a sandbox MMO)

Not to mention the fact that you just pointed out that a Plex can be earned in ~3 days in incursions, yet took longer to earn in low sec. Personally I was able to earn a plex much faster than three days in incursions, by dual boxing vanguards making the monetary value of a plex in a single session was trivial. Not to mention the fact that it took considerably less risk, had no logistical challenges and didn't require scanning.



That is beside the point, you are not entitled to easy ISK and ships. That kind of mentality leads to rampant inflation and mudflation.

Not everyone is supposed to be able to grind out enough ISK for titans or supers.

What is stopping you running Assaults now? ISN don't have some game-mechanic enforced exclusivity afaik, and navy ships were never involved in any top isk/hour Vanguard fleets anyway, so why are you missing out all of a sudden?

You can trivially still fly Incursions in a kitchen sink/just-sub-optimal fleet, involve newer players and make isk, it's just that it's poor isk/hour and thus unattractive to almost all.

Vanguards were a fun feature when you could join up with decent fleets on your own schedule, have & win contests, move about the galaxy, a great incentive for newer/all highsec players to realise the potential of well-organised small groups in this MMO. They only needed a slight reduction to isk/hour. CCP got it wrong as ever. Here's hoping they fix it this summer and soon, it's been months already.

No they dont kill you in high space. But loot is far far less. Killing isnt the issue here. Also because you choose to be there doesnt have to do with security on low sec. In your line of thoughs i will get killed all the time if i have a industrial with 2 bils of items and just undock at jita and site there .. because its my choice . Low sec is under populated end of story. Specific systems doesnt count

Now ending this about incursion and their "profit" have you on your mind what 2 account can achieve only by level 5's and pi ? How about 2 chars 2 account living only low sec, both PI to max with 2 alts also at pi , then 2 carriers or 2 BS (gate missions) and do every monring (my time) level 5's. Can you do the math ? Incursions seems like level 3 mission farming close to them. Unless someone have 12 account and farm em solo incursion are near the middle on the ways someone could earn money.

If you worry about the hauling to jita and cant do it in a safe way , ask frog corp to do it for you. I dont have any prob with gate camps so far. All you need is 1 scout . Thats all. There is no bubble at low sec my friend . Thats the only thing that makes things hard and it exists on null sec only. Anyway to end this here , i respect your opinion but at mine things are a bit .. different.

hi troll

So CCP Soundwave after a month and a half of looking what are the stats looking like? The assault systems being touched are still stacking NCN's like pancakes. The only null sec incursion in since the week after Escalation to be touched is currently in Razor space and looks to be stalling. OTA's difficulty makes them a pirahha of the Vangurd systems. CCP Affiniity showed some interest in the communities but has closed her thread 3 weeks ago & now silence.

and here I thought it was because of trolling & incompetant statisics like yours

Apol, why don't you stick to the AT training. If you're the one to derp your Tengu out of the boundary I will try ensure you are trolled out of existance for it and shitting up this MMO feature discussion. Let that be the end of it, as you're busy off happy in w-space + nullsec, remember

Basically if you still care which obviously not, you nerfed it more than once, you lowered the payout and killed the spawning and how it worked. You ripped the guts out of Incursion and made it useless. Simple as that and I didn't run incursions i thought it was a bit over paid and maybe a nerf to the money would have worked. However you guys destroyed it completely and so doing destroyed the game for many people. If they were bored and found incursions to be "end game" fun for them than you lost a lot of people with this insane nerf. Because they had nothing left to play anyway, considering the number of people playing when I login over last couple months has dropped significantly says a lot. From over 40K to under 30K that is huge.

You mean you run Assaults until the NCN's stack up then you stop doing assaults.

Darth, we know your opinion.

:buffincursions: and whatnot.

But what is the point in this? Can't you keep the conversation to one thread? And can't you make it into an actual conversation, instead of just constantly repeating the same crap?

You aren't going to badger CCP employees into fixing something for you just by spamming the forums and flooding them with petitions. I presume CCP employees have a block/hide posts button too.