EVE General Discussion

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Big problem with your hypothesis is a little thing called 'Checks and Balances'.

When the sand gets all pushed up to one side of the box, CCP will most definitely step in and redistribute the sand back evenly within the box. They've done it before in the past and will surely do it again in the future. The only problem is it usually takes time for CCP to do it.

The term sandbox actually refers more to how a game is played, e.g. not scripted. As in a physical sandbox, the player is allowed the ability to interact with it creatively resulting in there being "no right way" of playing the game.

However, Developers of sandbox games will implement changes and enforce restrictions at various times within the game environment, either due to existing aspects of the game becoming unbalanced by adding new game play content or when players gain an unfair advantage from exploiting something unforeseen by Developers in game play content previously implemented.

Sansha Incursion 'Vanguard' Sites, Magnetar Worm-hole effects, Probe immune ship fits, Nano speed fits, Titan DD's, etc. These are just some examples of the many times CCP has stepped in and redistributed the sand after it get's piled up in one side of the box..

So I was playing with my alt account tonight, when a guy starts asking about mining in his hulk. People start to ***** about goons and "don't do it, you'll just get blown up".

I could only suggest that EVE is as much a social game as anything else. It's a sandbox, you're not limitted to flying around in your hulk and mining alone.

"Why would I pay someone to help me!"
"I shouldn't have to tank."
"ISK PER HOUR!!!!"

I ended with suggesting he play EVE like a social game. Use the forums. Organize a mining OP, preferebly in a lower sec of space were everyone would make more ISK. He responded with, "that's a really great idea."

To many people trying to play the game one way.

To me, that's the deffinition of a sandbox. Divergent gameplay. The ability to come at a situation from a multitude of angles. You don't have to get someone to help you, but you can. You dont' have to tank your hulk, but you can. You don't have to fill you low slots with expanders, but you can.

EVE provides more divergent gameplay then any MMO on the market; that's what a real sandbox does.

People angry at goons for being the largest powerblock in game and demanding CCP "do something about it" have absolutely no idea what a sandbox is. People complaining about hulkageddon, ganking, or being forced into stuff by other people, have no idea what a sandbox is. CCP has provided all of the tools anyone needs to "do soemthing about it". If you choose not to, or you decide that there's nothing you can do so instead you'll just curl up int he fetal position that's fine, but that doesn't change the reality of it.

The reality is, no matter how tight a ball you curl up in, we'll just keep kicking the **** out of you. Because it's funny.

If that's what you got from all of my "you can come at a situation from a multitude of angles."

Well....

I honesly don't know what to say. I'm sorry your brain doesn't work. Damn shame.

"Do it this way", as you put it is not an attempt to tell you how to play. If anything, some of these people might actually be trying to help.

This for example. Written by another high sec miner who shares his knowledge. A lot of the same knowledge that the suicide gankers and griefers and Goons have been sharing with everyone here. Its your choice whether to adopt some or any of the concepts.

Being a member of a sandbox means making choices that have consequences, not subsidizing your game play, and taking responsibility for your own fun.

It's what I got from your advice, you can call one angle a multitude I guess.

You can even pretend that makes sense.

Help, by telling you how to play.

It's pretty inescapable: "Look, here's how it should be done". Of course no one is forcing anyone, but it's been made clear that they'll "keep kicking the **** out of you" otherwise. Truth be told they'll probably keep that up anyway, but the point is being made.

It is what the game is, let's not pretend it's something else.

No one is saying, "Do it this way or we'll keep kicking the **** out of you". If that is the way you are taking it then I guess it can't be helped and you will keep getting the **** kicked out of you.

I prefer to read and assess the infomation, of which there is plenty, from multiple sources and viewpoints, and simply adapt my play to suit my desire for fun while at the same time taking responsibility for my own well-being. In the end they are still my choices.

If this, as Nat put it, divergent gameplay (i.e. Goons creating content that focuses on destruction of Exhumers for economic gain), annoys you then you are more than welcome and I would hope capable of either finding ways to adapt to it, again based on volumes of information on how to do so, OR organize and create your own player driven divergent gameplay.

Just because that's so hilarious.

It was a pretty clear paraphrase. And of course there is still a choice, but to pretend there's no intent to influence (at the very least) behavior is silly. That's what it is to exercise power.

The discomfort with that clear reality is palpable.

I don't think so, but clear it up: why that particular advice?