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CCP has made their opinions and longterm plans for Eve clear
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Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-06-02 00:57:06 UTC
The Groundskeeper wrote:
I for one am appalled - yes, appalled! - that a historically PvE-centric game like Eve, in which the tradition has been since launch that any sign of griefing, scamming, non-consensual PvP or the slightest hint of interfering with harmless mining bots has been cracked down on with instant perma-bans, should now be heading in this direction. Before soon, I strongly suspect that thoughtless, selfish people will even stop asking permission to duel on the undock and simply open fire without so much as a by-your-leave. Dark days, indeed.

Thank God that we have the OP, and three characters on all four of his accounts, to post endless streams of threads about how unfair this is, and how upset it makes him. Good, honest people like him - willing to post tirelessly and emotionally in complaints at their treatment at our hands - are what makes this game worth playing.

Hey, maybe you should update your blog about this.


Or at all.



Lazy hilltriber.
Ludi Burek
Bairs
#42 - 2012-06-02 01:04:57 UTC
Robus Muvila wrote:


Didn't read, assuming tears.



Did (skim) read. Assumption confirmed.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-06-02 01:38:01 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So all the people fighting the good fight on the forums have to make a decision.
Do you recognize that CCP is not changing the direction the game is going, and decide even with the annihilation of high sec, the game gives you good value for your money, and you will continue to subscribe.

Or do you decide that , no, the game no longer gives me enjoyment for my money, and I don't want to play the game that the null sec zealots are creating, and cease to subscribe.


I do not agree with your characterizations of the " good fight on the forums", or "annihilation of high sec" or "null sec zealots", but in the end you are correct. That's the choice to make.

EVE was conceived and designed around what many other games would call griefing. It has always been that way. The change you're feeling now has more to do with the concentration of power as a result of mis-design than any philosophical change in the game. CCP isn't going to change things because this is what they want. If you don't like it you're stupid to stick around. Stupid.

On the other hand, if you're feeling in the mood for a moment of optimism, take a look at the number of threads and replies by self-proclaimed gankers giving advice on how to avoid the gank, to mitigate risk. Look at the number of (admittedly false) posts about how easy it is to completely avoid being ganked and still mine. Look at the number of posts about how this is really about bots and afk players (again, pretty obviously false). All attempts to distance themselves, to downplay the impact, to make things less threatening.

If the "annihilation of high sec" is truly the goal, why do they bother?

Because they love the game and want you to love it too. People always want to show off the cool thing they've found, it's part of our social nature.

CCP isn't going to do anything. The current crop truly seems unable to conceive of any way to motivate players toward the deeper parts of the game except making the alternative suck more. You can't unsub enough to change that. The players, on the other hand, will probably find a way. And that's the cool part.

Make up your mind, do your thing. I'm going to stick around and watch the show for a bit.
Boooop
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-06-02 01:56:34 UTC
I just wish the goons weren't against WiS, because now they aren't even working on it past a side job which consists of 5 people casually brainstorming. I've been waiting for it for over half a decade but because Soundwaffe thinks it's "barbies in space" I'll never get to see it.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#45 - 2012-06-02 02:24:04 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So all the people fighting the good fight on the forums have to make a decision.
Do you recognize that CCP is not changing the direction the game is going, and decide even with the annihilation of high sec, the game gives you good value for your money, and you will continue to subscribe.

Or do you decide that , no, the game no longer gives me enjoyment for my money, and I don't want to play the game that the null sec zealots are creating, and cease to subscribe.


I do not agree with your characterizations of the " good fight on the forums", or "annihilation of high sec" or "null sec zealots", but in the end you are correct. That's the choice to make.

EVE was conceived and designed around what many other games would call griefing. It has always been that way. The change you're feeling now has more to do with the concentration of power as a result of mis-design than any philosophical change in the game. CCP isn't going to change things because this is what they want. If you don't like it you're stupid to stick around. Stupid.

On the other hand, if you're feeling in the mood for a moment of optimism, take a look at the number of threads and replies by self-proclaimed gankers giving advice on how to avoid the gank, to mitigate risk. Look at the number of (admittedly false) posts about how easy it is to completely avoid being ganked and still mine. Look at the number of posts about how this is really about bots and afk players (again, pretty obviously false). All attempts to distance themselves, to downplay the impact, to make things less threatening.

If the "annihilation of high sec" is truly the goal, why do they bother?

Because they love the game and want you to love it too. People always want to show off the cool thing they've found, it's part of our social nature.

CCP isn't going to do anything. The current crop truly seems unable to conceive of any way to motivate players toward the deeper parts of the game except making the alternative suck more. You can't unsub enough to change that. The players, on the other hand, will probably find a way. And that's the cool part.

Make up your mind, do your thing. I'm going to stick around and watch the show for a bit.


Go search out my kills/losses on any of the generic killboards.
You will see that I have lived in null (fought against the russians/PL/Raiden supercap blobs) when NC died.
Go back further. You will see the occasional loss/kill in wh space. My crew had our first wh pos up 5 hours after Apochrypha went live.

I have played all aspects of this game. I came back to high sec as NC folded up. I came back for a short hiatus to catch my breath. That was a year ago. Since then, I have witnessed the growth in power of goons/ cfc / csm/ null sec zealots.
The game has fundamentally changed, with the concentrated attacks on high sec.
I would likely go back to null, but I have no wish to be constantly fighting the cfc blobs.
And the only thing worse than fighting the cfc blobs, would be allied to those same pricks.

I have no real love for high sec. High sec is boring. High sec never was a profitable as null sec.

I just hate the arrogant, sociopathic behaviour that has arisen in the past 6 months emanating from null sec, and the clear condoning of this behaviour by CCP. I just have to read the majority of responses to this thread for confirmation.

CCP mgmt has given soundwave and his cadre free rein, obviously because they feel it will maximize profits.
I believe that that CCP is fundamentally wrong. I wish to show my displeasure with CCP the only way I can, but cutting way, way back on my gameplay and subs. Read my original post. ATM, logging on and shooting red crosses still helps when I have a ****** day. Hence why I keep a single account alive.

But posting on these forums is something I realize is a waste of time and emotional energy.
The null sex zealots show the same lack of civility on these forums as they do in-game.
I wish no part of that.
Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#46 - 2012-06-02 02:26:05 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Folks, CCP has made it clear that they the direction that their ex-goon (or not ex-goon) lead developer is taking with the game is the path that they want Eve to go down.

There may be tons of people within the corporation who think this is madness, but clearly they are not policy nor decision-makers.

Whether soundwave is collaborating directly with the in-game null sec zealots, or they just co-incidentally are following parallel paths is irrelevant. The fact remains that due to their inaction in stopping the on-going campaign against high sec, CCP management is giving their tacit agreement to the vision of the game that the cfc, csm and soundwave share.

No amount of screaming on the forums will do any good.
No amount of in-game protesting will do any good.
No amount of not logging on will do any good.
No amount of threatening to unsub will do any good.

The only reason that CCP listened last year re: Nex was because the major alliances screamed blue murder.
The only reason that CCP listened this year re: UI was because the POS owners in null sec went nuts.
CCP does listen to those groups.
CCP does NOT listen to high sec groups.

So, there is only two options for high sec players: You can shut up and accept whatever scraps are left when soundwave and mittens are done with high sec, or you can shut up and actually let your accounts lapse.

The 2nd option is the ONLY way you can show your displeasure.
If you have a cell phone or cable TV service that became unacceptable to you, you would go to customer service and scream. That is the equivalent to these forums. If the company providing that service did not listen, or openly mocked you, you would discontinue that service as quickly as possible. (always a treat with multi-year contracts).

So all the people fighting the good fight on the forums have to make a decision.
Do you recognize that CCP is not changing the direction the game is going, and decide even with the annihilation of high sec, the game gives you good value for your money, and you will continue to subscribe.

Or do you decide that , no, the game no longer gives me enjoyment for my money, and I don't want to play the game that the null sec zealots are creating, and cease to subscribe.

My personal decision was that I am lapsing all but one account. After a brutal day in real world, even with all the attacks on high sec, the game has not quite reached the "more pain that pleasure" point , but I certainly have had the amount of joy I get from the game reduced to a level that running multiple accounts has no point. Maybe after soundwave nerfs L4 missions that will be the breaking point for me. I don't know yet.

I know people are un-subbing. I have seen it in my own in-game corp. But it takes time for the 6 month and 12 month subs to run out and the impact felt. Maybe when that impact is felt, CCP will recognize this was the wrong path.

But until then, give up posting on the forums. The only thing CCP cares about is your monthly sub.



I honestly and no troll find this amusing, because I was active on the forums in 2008 when things were trending the exact opposite way.

The great cycle of EVE life continues, I suppose. Age really does give one perspective.

Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-06-02 02:40:20 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just hate the arrogant, sociopathic behaviour that has arisen in the past 6 months emanating from null sec, and the clear condoning of this behaviour by CCP. I just have to read the majority of responses to this thread for confirmation.


I have to agree with that at least in part, though again I think it's more a matter of volume than any real change in attitude. Flagrant asshattery has always been a feature. As far as condoning, I'm not sure CCP could do anything short of unleashing the Jove at this point.

Maybe I'm just looking for excuses to hang around myself.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-06-02 02:44:48 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Folks, CCP has made it clear that they the direction that their ex-goon (or not ex-goon) lead developer is taking with the game is the path that they want Eve to go down.



eve isn't changing, it's always been this way. if you think otherwise, you've just gotten lucky because folks were too busy at the time to take notice of you properly.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

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