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You know, the same goes for the only survey in which CCP asked the player base explicitly about the User Interface. And like CCP Optimal wrote, they based their decision to change the inventory part of the UI on that survey:
2400 (former) EvE players participated in that survey. 23% of them regarded 'Excessive number of windows required to perform a task' as the biggest defect of the EvE online User Interface.
That is a meagre 552 people. That is a very small number to base a major change in how players interact with the game on.
Especially of you take into account that that the possible answers to the question consisted of several (and only!) negative qualifications to choose from.

The survey in question can be found here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Surveying_UI

In my opinion you can not decide to make a change like this based on the feedback of a very small number of people (and defend that change by stating that 'surveys show that people want this), and at the same time dismiss legitimate feedback on the forums as coming from to few people.

Mind you, reading the forum posts about the new Inventory and talking to people in game has thought me one thing: a lot more players than 552 do NOT like the way this has been implemented. Including me.

Yeah, and I bet if you did that survey now, 90% + would prefer the old one to this crock of crap.

So let me get this straight.. Theres been some survey that i have never even heard of. And 23% of that 2400ppl said they didnt like UI too much. Let me get these numbers again 23% (of 2400) didnt like it too much and it got replaced with one that 95% of all playerbase hates.. Thats pretty nice 23% (thats around 600 ppl) was just not liking it too much they didnt hate it. Now u have 95% (thats around 50k accounts and 20-30k? ppl) of players hating it.

BTW. I wouldnt gave too much faith in survey with 5% of players in it...

GJ

Well i dont actually know the real player base. I just threw numbers out of my head :p

But still if they make survey why dont they tell it for example in eve launcher. So people would know about it and participate in it. I have never tought myself that there could be something wrong with the UI.... But still even if there was some secret survey it doesnt change the fact that sisi feedback told this new UI isnt any better actually its worse than old one. And this is not first time this happens. Aslong ive been playing this game and they have been testing something on sisi they have everytime brought it on TQ even it didnt work on sisi and i wonder why is that. Why patch something on TQ that doesnt work on test server?

Interesting that CCP Dev's should consider that the number of open windows is the failing factor in the old UI when most tasks done using it required only two or three at most for the vast majority of players.

If like myself you run Corp tasks in station or at PoS then a considerable amount of windows may need to be opened in isolation or groups to accomplish a given task but this is mitigated by the fact that under the old UI each window opened was specific to the space that was needed to be worked with, could be quickly and simply resized/stacked or just lined up.

When working with these windows no shift clicking was required unless you were splitting stacks and all windows has persistence so that clicking on one of them did not cause the whole layout to be radically altered requiring a reset and if closed for any reason would open again as required in the original layout you had selected as most efficient for the task at hand.

That all of the above to the greater extent is now lost to players, though I will admit with some work a player can achieve a temporary semblance of the original, all again is lost once you turn to another task and the whole process must be gone through again to get back to what was once a very simple method of working.

In addition to this there is the tree structure panel, which when working with large inventories such as in station or at PoS can become very long indeed cluttered as it is with non context information and taking up a lot of space on screen, necessary for it to be worked with at all. That all windows now open as default in the main UI window causing obstruction of other windows then requiring back tracking using the tree structure to move around the various places players may and need to go causes frustrating mistakes to be made and adds to inefficiency in working such environments, However constant shift clicking we are told can gain a temporary 'Work Around'.

To this we must add operations such as mining and salvaging, once a simple efficient task requiring at most two windows open, that of the cargo hold and that of the subject can or wreck hold we now find that multiple shift clicking is required to achieve a very inefficient 'Work Around' requiring only a single miss click to cause this work around to collapse into the unified inventory screen once again or leave the player with a confusing duplicate window complete with contents in both windows and no container ID to let you know what the hell you are actually looking at, the contents of a can, wreck cargo hold or your own ships hold are now displayed in both windows.

Apart from the fact that this console game type of inventory has probably been forced in on the orders of SONY it is surprising that CCP would vaunt this abomination to a PC game as in some way an 'Improved Feature', then admit that it is 'Not as they intended' and then feign surprise that players almost across the game are not happy with there latest messed up update.

Since release of Incarna CCP has of course learned that they should offer forward there finest spin doctors to perform damage limitation, but they also learned that the player base is not as gullible as they had hoped and does pay the bills, but even so they have quickly tried to dispel any hope that the players will not get anything they need here by there blank refusal to reinstate the old UI right up front while promising to tinker with the new one in the hope that they might get some semblance of acceptance from the players or at least silence the complaints before SONY calls a halt to there activities.

Why are they so hell bent on this, it is not because it is any good for EVE, it's because SONY want full and easy compatibility with there console system so that migrating players will recognise and understand EVE as they multi box there PS3 and PC.

You see ur in that 5% liking it :p

No i didnt make survey. U need to read feedback threads so u can see how many like it with u.

U maybe can log in to eve and be happy. I can log in eve and be unhappy because being in station is terrible shift cliking hell.

Dont get me wrong tho i dont think that UI would be total waste. Its just broken atm. And todays fixes are not fixing it.

Theres few my fixes for it from inferno 1.03 thread

"You guys need to fix these ASAP.

1. When u open item windows in station they should remain where u left them even when u undock/redock. They should remember their positions and sizes by default but if its too hard pls even fix the pinning on them so next time i dock they would be there where i left them without having to click anything.

2. R-click needs to work as clicked above ships with options open cargo bay / drone bay / fuel bay / shipmaintance bay

3. Double clicking unactive ship needs to open its cargo/inventory NOT change ship."

2400 FORMER EvE Players?...FORMER?..and they based it on that? Let's poll people who find Rubik's Cube too difficult and ask them what they'd like to see in a design change. They take a poll and then ignore the feedback. Something isn't quite right here. Communication breakdown or some slight misunderstood request has led someone down the wrong road of thought. The new devs here need to understand that EvE pilots LOVE Eve without equal. There is no substitute. One can not compare it to WoW or StarTrek or Pong and be fair about it. We Eve players do not think of ourselves as different...we ARE different. We're problem solvers and think tanks with an addiction to internet spaceships.
I realize these new fellows did a lot of work and possibly this is their best creation ever. It's hard to put forth your Frankenstein and see the Villagers throw stones at it. You probably love your creation that you put together for Eve. But it has to be sent back. You'll do better next time. We're a hard bunch to please but we're just as forgiving in the end. Ask CCP Soundwave. Another problem you may, or may not, be facing is the realization that the denizens of New Eden are not 13 year old kids with some money sent by granny for a birthday present. We tend to run a bit higher in the rankings when it comes to having both life experience and educations. I retired and sold my business and have moved to Europe...at age 45. My darling wife is a doctor. My kid pushes burgers out at passing cars...but she was a WoW player. I warned her. What I am attempting to get across is that you're on a level field here. You've got to understand that you can not just put something half cooked in front of us and expect us to dine on it much less pay money for it. Earlier someone made a comment that the people who spent the time to help test the product were only a tiny fraction of the player base and were dismissed as being a useful source. Well you have to remember they are 100% of your test source. If they think it's bad it's because they took the time to really go look at it. Not because they hate change. Not because they are naive or have acne. They did it out of pure LOVE for EvE. Unpaid dedication. Pure unadulterated sacrifice of time, energy and possibly a good time in nice weather were sacrificed to help YOU. And you chose to ignore it. Well take your Frankenstein Monster of a Unified Screwup and go back to the castle gents. It's unacceptable even with the updates.

Is this true CCP? This idea came from a dissatisfaction survey filled out by people who never stuck around? And was implemented by a guy who has played less than 1 month? And somewhere, someone thought this would all turn out great?

If I face palm any harder, I am going to need hospitalization....

of course nothing will change if needs to calculate prices everysecond for items ,more items = more calculation =more lag =more data transfer






XZEN my dear friend this UI effects everbody you dont know how i have a nightmare when im movig around in hangars at my carrier as 0.0 player and i wrote fps drop and other things at my posts before . Only a few not effected are people logging just to train skill .Everyone else effected. Carriers/capital ships are a nightmare now .



Yes , Eve is managed by survey results since 2006 ,Do you think why learning skills removed ? I dont know how long devs were ingame but know they did not use their crap from implemantaion.

It's still horrible. I am losing items in this mess, not to mention a HUGE isk loss because I was confused trying to move find/things with this joke of an inventory system. The isk loss was a typo, and I mean huge (to me) loss of over 3 BILLION isk. Now I can't find a couple of important BPO's

U can't roll this back? Well I can damn sure roll out of here with my 5 paying accounts.

1. Everything is harder, NOT easier.

2. More lag, in some cases MAJOR

3. I am getting RSS from all this extra clicking

You have taken all the fun out of what I do, and now it's a serious chore to do anything.