Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So to sum up your and Caliph's position on local so far, you blatantly refuse to accept my assertation that the active population of nullsec, lowsec and probably to a lesser degree hisec will go down if the risk or effort needed to stay safe increases dramatically, and yet you've no problems with explaining away not being in a wormhole with, and I quote, "For me updating market orders, pickups & deliveries etc, would be more hassle than I care to endure." ... when it's a matter of making a simple alt and sticking him in jita with a freighter or orca, and then spend a few minutes every now and again updating orders or activating autopilot and doing something else for a few more hours.

I ... see.

Trying that now. So far it hasn't affected them, but it does make my poo come out softer.

My and Caliph's position are different he wants local removed completely where as I find it just a crutch for null sec players who want free intel.

Ok it is very weird to use a quote when you are the only person who has said the quote and then too use it for the basis for your argument.

I must ask when you look around do you see padded walls?

And yet when I bothered to do it I make it look so easy. Trust me I abstained most of my eve career because solo pvp was an exercise in monotony. It had nothing to do with ability. And none of that has any bearing on local being a elementary school level safety net for a game that fraudulently claims to be hardcore.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15867656 Theres one of your kills, I thought it the first impressive one on the list. Then I saw it was so many people on one ship it bordered ridiculous. And you put a whopping 93 damage on the kill. Im sure if I sift thru ill find you to be a great big KM ho, I stopped after just three because its all the same format. You doing almost nothing just enough to get on the mail.

Your pvp experience consists of joining the biggest blob you can find and pretending that in doing so you're elite.

/facepalm

Why don't you tell us all exactly why the pussies in EVE need local instead.

ITT alot of distractions and rhetoric but no real arguments as to why EVE needs local chat, an immersion breaking feature thats detrimental to almost every feature the game boasts. The sum of the anti argument is that the most dullard of the population will quit if its removed. Thats it.

If you were really the prober that found it, its excusable I don't hate. But if you werent and still hopped on that kill for 93 damage thats kb ho'ing. I'll take your word you did as you stated.

Well if they voted for mittens I'm sure they could cry with the rest of the people who did.

Bit of a side track so back to the regular feature
"Local Must Die"
The PG version, so Its Null local only

You've not decced Eve uni have you ?.......

Ummm... the decshield stuff is history these days - the changes got rid of it. Using game mechanics like that was even with the old insurance scam stuff used to fund suicide gankers - it needed to go but while available, you'd be a fool not to use it.

I'm a member of the uni - for a small group like your "short bus friends" that may not mean much but if you think "the uni" expresses my opinions or I agree with management on all points. You should probably try joining a larger group to see just how diverse opinions are. I *DO* follow rules of a larger group but my opinions are my own.

You also don't seem to know much about the uni - try reading a bit. The same info that our members agree to before joining, while in the uni, etc... is available from the wiki.

Read - honestly, it doesn't hurt that much and you might learn a bit more about the group vs just assumptions that many goofs have on what they are about. "tight rules!" - bet on it and get the hell out when they bind - but we'll give options on where you can go that won't rob you nor blow you up for lulz as you exit. See our "work fair" forum for "honorable" groups to join upon leaving the uni - WH, Lowsec pirates, Nullsec groups, mining corps, etc.

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As for my opinions on this "local" junk:

Removal of the intel from local - I've been a fan of that for a very long time but not without the availability of other tools to replace it. Sensor changes, scanner changes... whatever but that functionality is needed.

The key being balanced play and 7 out of 10 chars in highsec does *NOT* need to be fluffed up any more by removal of local without some way to address the intel it offers. People need the ability to operate in space for more than just PvP and should be traveling through all types of space a lot and they don't.

That "7 out of 10" in highsec points to something being wrong with the design - especially when over half of them are probably alts to "dangerous space" dwellers. It should be *MORE* profitable to not be there than sitting in that safe space but roadblocks shut down traffic ... PvE being about using "fixed locations" to operate out of vs PvP ... so on and so forth.

Until they find ways to fix this population & traffic imbalances - all your suggestion will down is reduce uses of dangerous space -AND- increase the cancellation of accounts.

There are fewer devs employable with fewer accounts. I'd prefer more minds involved in finding & fixing underpinning issues than fewer. The brain power i see expressed here by the PvP types, shows they have no clue how to fix the problems without costing devs their jobs. "Just let us kill them all until they quit!" brilliant...

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tl;dr: Fix the other things that keep 7 out of 10 in highsec and the rest will sort itself out. Until that is addressed, the rest means little to nothing. You won't grow those portions of the game by removing safeties from the few who operate there non-PvP focused. They'll just stop and that means LESS combat targets.

Supported, members of NPC corps contribute nothing to this game