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This one really surprised me. In the "Escalation to Inferno" patch last month, CCP added in the wonderful ability to select rows of data and paste them into spreadsheets like Excel. It was pretty cool, and I used it for all kinds of things, including market price histories and the amounts of minerals and PI materials that were in my hangars.

The new inventory system won't let me copy data from it any longer. I have a container filled with PI products. It doesn't matter if I open the container in the main inventory window, or if I shift-click it to open it in a separate window. I can't copy data out of it, and I therefore can no longer paste it into Excel. Which is to say, the cool thing that CCP put in place just last month has already been un-done by this latest change. I'm back to typing my inventory values into spreadsheets that I pull up on a separate computer.

Note that pasting still works from the wallet and from the market windows. It just no longer works from the inventory.

One other problem, that I've seen other people mention is simply the speed. One of my corp mates got red-boxed by another player last night. I was in station, but didn't have the inventory open and I was sitting in an industrial ship. I went to jump into a combat ship, but this station is one where we have a corp hangar. It took forever for the inventory to open so that I could reship into something useful.

There really needs to be a "ships only" button somewhere on the Neocom to allow for quick changes from one ship to another.

i'm used to the old inventory system. i would have loved to have that back but improved.

the new inventory system is.....impractical and by the looks of it unfinished and imho something that should be worked out further on SiSi.

why?

- it takes time to open the whole inventory. yes, it shows me the hangars that i haven't acces to aswell. there really should be the option implemented that i can only get the hangars in my inventory that i have acces to when i hang around in the pos.

we currently have like 8 ship arrays hanging. it takes more time which is annoying when i need to grab a ship fast or when i want that one module to fit on my ship...

and i don't see anything wrong with an option to be able to open just a can, wreck or array in one small window without having all the other stuff.

There you go, conclusive proof that they paid no attention to all the feedback we gave on Sisi. Many were telling you about problem weeks ago!

And why does the cargo hold/inventory have to open when i loot a can or wreck? It didnt before.

I only want it open if im using it f, ie mining or using caps.

Hello CCP Optimal.

TYVM for posting!!! Reassuring to know that Devs are continuing to monitor this thread.

+3 for the fix, still -10 for moving this system from Test Server.

My 0.02 ISK on the 'improved' system:
- The fatally flawed premise seems to be: All items or objects or ships, in all locations, are of equal importance in all circumstances.

Pilots access specific things, in specific locations, to perform specific actions governed by current circumstances. Please allow those who find this system to be an impediment to Opt Out.

How the frak am I supposed to adapt to 2 minute wait times to load my ship hangar at a POS?

Please stop posting, you're not helping people with legitimate gameplay issues caused by this rubbish change.

Optimal, you're on my good guy list.

This is why I don't test.

1. I don't get paid for it, I pay to play this game.

2. They don't pay attention anyway, so whats the point.

Frankly, I can't see why people go to fanfest for this "talk to a dev in a bar" nonsense. Like the only time you can get these guys attention is when they are stoned out of their gourd. Masters of the (Eve) universe and all that.

Probably have better luck helping Hilmar groom his beard.

Minimize "My Filters" works till the window is closed, would be nice if its remember that option next time u open Inventory.

o7

Well, it's important to be clear about this: yes, it is not mono-windowed — you can indeed have many windows open — but it doesn't have proper multi-window support.

By this I mean that any window other than the main window is given priority over all other ones. There is no way to direct what other windows will show and what will open where unless you go through the tree view. If you use any other method of opening an inventory, those other windows will be ignored and the main window will be altered. Effectively, the system only really recognises that main window, and the child-windows you spawn must be managed manually.

But that's just it: for many use cases, multiple windows is by far more effective than a single window, especially once those other windows start to spawn automatically depending on context. The new system is still essentially a single-window design and it has none of that automation, so it can quite easily be less efficient than the old UI. Just cutting the number of windows doesn't in and of itself yield any gain in efficiency whatsoever.

Whether or not the new UI will ever be more efficient will depend heavily on whether or not they're able to bring that multi-window functionality (which goes far beyond simply having two windows — they have to behave and interact properly as well) back, and on whether or not they can cut down on all the redundant work that the UI has to do because it assumes it has to handle everything in every window, rather than be selective and only do the work we as users are asking it to do.

But that's not what people are saying either. What we're saying is that they should actually make use of the massive amounts of feedback they got from sisi before going live. Would it cover all cases? No, like you say, the more people who are banging on the system, the better you'll see which bits fall off, but what they've done here is to completely ignore feedback (which, btw, remains essentially unchanged since the sisi version, so they could have gotten the same direction for future iteration just from that — the TQ release wasn't needed).