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There are two bits with the Unified Inventory. The first is the internal inventory data structure, which by necessity and structure, is a tree data structure. The second is the visual representation to the user.

Honestly, I haven't seen one person who cared about how it was organized and structured internally. All of the concerns have been about the visual representation, which you've chosen to present in a similar manner to how it's probably stored internally. Unfortunately, not everyone's brain is wired to think and manage visual clues in the same manner.

The thing is, it would be just as easy to restore identical functionality to what previously existed while keeping the new work under the hood, unless the coding is such that everything is mixed up together. If this is the case, now is the time to fix it and make it right because everything is still fresh in peoples' minds. Always keep data and user interface separate!

Previously, we had a few cargo buttons (Ship Hangar, Station Inventory, Corp Hangars, Ship Cargo, Drone Bay) and a number of other right-click or double-click options on other containers. I would argue that it is easier to design a multi-window solution for the players than it would be to try to figure out when to use child windows and when to use the tree window.

Everything could reference the same internal data node, whether I choose Unified Inventory view or Multiple Window Inventory view, or whether I right-click my ship to Open Cargohold or click the tree node for the ship I'm currently flying in the tree view or click the shortcut that I've dragged to the Neocom bar. The only thing that is changing is how the data is being represented to the user. And the child/separated windows could really be as simple as a specific subset of the Unified tree view.

Some users like multiple windows. Some like the new Unified Inventory.

You really CAN give both types of user what they want, and probably save a lot of headaches trying to design a one-size-fits-all solution that will never be successful.


It would have been nice if you guys did the internal inventory code restructuring, which I'm sure was sorely needed, and replicate the existing visual functionality to test and streamline the code changes. Especially for something as fundamental to the game as inventory management that affects absolutely everyone.

Once the inventory code is rock solid internally, then add a beta-toggle option in the client for the new Unified Inventory format and begin to add new features, a handful at a time. It might slow down the development a few paces, but managing a few changes at a time each development cycle would be less hectic than trying to manage a lot of changes at once plus user outcry and downright anger plus making sure the internal inventory code is solid.

Believe it or not, people really will beta test these things for you, and I suspect you would have a wider reach than you would see on SiSi due to those who couldn't be bothered to set up another client for SiSi. I also would be so brazen as to suggest that proceeding in this manner would earn more trust and respect from your users, something you guys probably could use a little more of right now.

Then, instead of forcing it on people who would never like it and receiving negative feedback, you would receive positive feedback from those who do like it, causing some people who might have been on the fence to try it as well. The rest could continue to ignore it, and you could more easily ignore the usual whiners who complain just to complain.

We suggest these things and provide feedback because we care, and because we believe you care too. Please don't disappoint us.

Just re-enable the saving of window configurations. I like my items hangar, cargo bay and ship hangar open all at once. And without having to open them every time I dock. Whoever added that "feature" wasted huge amounts of time for everyone.
And doubling the prices for datacores was a douche move whatever the rationalization.

I work for a game development company, although we don't produce MMOs. If CCP has a brain in their heads, they use a version control system. This means that they can roll back any change made to their code at any time made by anyone. So even if they have deleted it, they can go back, find the code they nuked, and revert it.

And yes, it is always possible to run two different UI types... If they designed the UI to take this into account, of course. If not, they can still change it, it'll just take a restart. The problem lies with whether they want to devote resources to that or not.

Judging by the forum response, they should not only do it, but make it a priority.

Inventory management never had a problem. You buy containers for your station, "Set Name" to name them appropriately, and fill them. I have over 30 containers in one station alone to keep track of what I own.

I still don't understand why this was implemented when so many people tested it and said "no".

24th page and im sure CCP Soundwave has stopped reading . Anyway my 2 cents on the slow inventory
if it didnt have to read everythign every time it opened it would be faster (duh really)

Also for the love of god or wherever other deity you like, make those windows persistent

And those windows, do they have to be so big? i have no use for isk value or a search field, make those avail by right clicking the window

O/

except if the old code relies on old stuff elsewhere which was also removed, which requires also rollback and ending removal of more code than expected and narrowing the inferno release at the end to ... new missiles.

Bolded part is wrong. Everyone wants this, its intuitive. Why are you so reluctant to do this? This makes no sense to me.

Don't get me wrong, Tippia. As implemented - UI sucks.

The amazing thing is that nearly a month ago on the test server feedback forum I made the, at the time, bold claim that many people would hate this with Incarna level's of vitriol.

I was told by many, that clearly hadn't tried the Unifubared Inventory on Sisi for more than 5 minutes, that I was being an alarmist and in that in no way was that going to happen.....

Skip to the day it hit TQ. Threadnought after Threadnought on the forums calling it what it is. Incarna 1.5

Suddenly, it's Soundwave, one of the SENIOR game designers, writing the dev blog and asking for help after Team Game of Thrones singularly failed to implement or follow up anything about the reams and reams of suggestions and feedback given about the unifubared inventory on the test server forums.

I think it's telling that Soundwave seems to have been put in charge to sort out this latest debacle.

And just so you think I'm not being totally negative. Every other aspect of Inferno that I've so far tried I love. Hell, if the Unified Inventory had been limited to just Assets I'd have liked it too. It's just beyond useless as a minute by minute gaming interface.

You should know by now what we don't like about and how to sort it out. Either fix it so it can be used in the way that WE, the paying customers would like to use it or man up, admit you broke something that wasn't and ditch it.

so disappointing,,,, i mean it when i say if they don't "fix" and "update" the ui system almost to the point of how it was before they ruined it. i will not continue to sub. great for the few of you who like it, or are "going to have to get used to it" but for many of the things i do in the game, this new system makes it painful. and for those of you who make jokes about many of us threatening to "rage quit", have a good look at the server populations as they've gotten lower each week and even worse since the update!! i remember 50k a not all that long ago,, where looking at 20-25k now if ur lucky