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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#621 - 2012-05-11 19:58:44 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
And btw Cearain- If you really want to fear monger, do it like this;

There's been secret conversations that the Minmatar will bring down the Gallente and help capture the remaining few systems that the Amarr have thus killing off the Amarr.


:)


WHY ARE YOU LEAKING OUR SUPER SEKRET INTEL!?!?!?111eleven
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#622 - 2012-05-11 20:12:04 UTC
chatgris wrote:

WHY ARE YOU LEAKING OUR SUPER SEKRET INTEL!?!?!?111eleven


It's ok, I also leaked the location of our secret bases in my latest blog post. No hiding now!! Lol

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#623 - 2012-05-11 20:20:50 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
And btw Cearain- If you really want to fear monger, do it like this;

There's been secret conversations that the Minmatar will bring down the Gallente and help capture the remaining few systems that the Amarr have thus killing off the Amarr.


:)



I would fear the minmatar serving up the gallente, as much as I would fear them serving up a platter of cream puffs.


But all this talk makes me hungry. Excuse me while I have my minmatar help serve me up a sandwich.



Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#624 - 2012-05-11 22:09:58 UTC
Cearain wrote:


The only thing that needs to play out is which side is going to be the winning side or whether some large alliance, will show how great they are, and decide to grind a losing faction to a winning one so they can profit. .

They won't have the standings to pull it off. But let 'em come. Moar fun.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#625 - 2012-05-11 22:24:13 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:


The only thing that needs to play out is which side is going to be the winning side or whether some large alliance, will show how great they are, and decide to grind a losing faction to a winning one so they can profit. .

They won't have the standings to pull it off. But let 'em come. Moar fun.


The most that might happen is some 0.0 entity might come into the warzone and lock it down, but I don't see any major sov-holder ever joining FW due to the aforementioned problem of standings.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#626 - 2012-05-11 22:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:


The only thing that needs to play out is which side is going to be the winning side or whether some large alliance, will show how great they are, and decide to grind a losing faction to a winning one so they can profit. .

They won't have the standings to pull it off. But let 'em come. Moar fun.


I wouldn't be so sure... you only need a 0.5 standing, and caldari (especially with the patch that added more caldari agents to spread mission runners out) is a very popular choice for pve with the best agents, close proximity to Jita etc...

EDIT: I don't think any large nullsec entity would bother, but I don't think that the standings for some popular pve factions would be a surefire lock against them.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#627 - 2012-05-12 00:19:25 UTC
When the fun created by the NEW SHINY stuff in the expansions ends after a month we will be stuck with how bad this is it will be too late.


Obvious problems being if one faction dominates a zone.

FW is not like 0.0 its full of casual or semi casual players.

Calling it now people will realize how dumb it all was a few months from now. Even those talking about how great the fighting is right now. That wont last people.

No one is looking at the longview on this.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#628 - 2012-05-12 01:25:38 UTC
Reikoku joined faction war for Minmatar.

If I had to guess whether some major null sec force will join faction war in the next year I would bet one will. By "major force" I just mean one that will single handedly change the course of the war.

I do think the least likely faction that they would join will be gallente. Just because it seems allot of high sec missions always went against gallente and it would be hard to get the standing and because it would limit access to jita. Sorry Gallente.

But I do anticipate something like a Reikoku coming in to a faction. Whether they will be able to roll over everyone or whether they will just end up in allot of good fights depends on what the mechanics of faction war are like at the time.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#629 - 2012-05-12 06:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Lock out
Reikoku aren't going trough their best times, same as Dark Rising which joined Gallente. Unless someone like Solar, -A-, PL, NCdot or others of that caliber join, FW can handle it easly. Hell, we scored the ocasional gank or win in subcaps even against some of those entities when we brought our A game.

More PVP (even against larger entitiies) won't be what kills FW, forced PVE will accomplish that.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#630 - 2012-05-12 06:55:42 UTC
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Shadows Of The Federation
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I can't be the only one who noticed this.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#631 - 2012-05-12 08:49:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28659

ok as I expeted Hans .... blog showed nothing just pointing to my major fears ... ccp wants fw to become null wasteland (because Ytter thinks he is smart ... right?)

well after reading the blog really considering leaving FW even before the patch .... CCP really screwed it badly and vector of changes is even worse. Ugh



Lock out wrote:
Reikoku aren't going trough their best times, same as Dark Rising which joined Gallente. Unless someone like Solar, -A-, PL, NCdot or others of that caliber join, FW can handle it easly. Hell, we scored the ocasional gank or win in subcaps even against some of those entities when we brought our A game.

More PVP (even against larger entitiies) won't be what kills FW, forced PVE will accomplish that.



well I am afraid u never faced these blobs full scale ... only foreced them to engage in some ocasional situations .... if they will decide to roll over one side .... only another jesus blob can stop them .....

sigh

but the only motivation for them might be the isk sources (which will not be that interesting) or T2 datacores .... which can be sourced still via afk plexing so no need to hassle around with major fleets.


I am afraid ccp is totaly untouched by reality of game with all potential consequences.
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#632 - 2012-05-12 09:27:39 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28659

ok as I expeted Hans .... blog showed nothing just pointing to my major fears ... ccp wants fw to become null wasteland (because Ytter thinks he is smart ... right?)

well after reading the blog really considering leaving FW even before the patch .... CCP really screwed it badly and vector of changes is even worse. Ugh

I am afraid ccp is totaly untouched by reality of game with all potential consequences.


Hey, how angry are you that we plexed Rak and flipped it and now you can't take it back? Also I've noticed that you didn't have much to say about all this until we did so and now you are raging like a child. Have fun leaving FW and watching your corp dissolve.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#633 - 2012-05-12 09:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
marketjacker wrote:
Hidden Snake wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28659

ok as I expeted Hans .... blog showed nothing just pointing to my major fears ... ccp wants fw to become null wasteland (because Ytter thinks he is smart ... right?)

well after reading the blog really considering leaving FW even before the patch .... CCP really screwed it badly and vector of changes is even worse. Ugh

I am afraid ccp is totaly untouched by reality of game with all potential consequences.


Hey, how angry are you that we plexed Rak and flipped it and now you can't take it back? Also I've noticed that you didn't have much to say about all this until we did so and now you are raging like a child. Have fun leaving FW and watching your corp dissolve.


Well game is big and we had other offers before.... FW is not everything .... but allways will find some time to gank ur tengu ...oh it never happened right ;)


with all respect we are just little dust particles in the EVE universe ....
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#634 - 2012-05-12 09:43:18 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
marketjacker wrote:
Hidden Snake wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28659

ok as I expeted Hans .... blog showed nothing just pointing to my major fears ... ccp wants fw to become null wasteland (because Ytter thinks he is smart ... right?)

well after reading the blog really considering leaving FW even before the patch .... CCP really screwed it badly and vector of changes is even worse. Ugh

I am afraid ccp is totaly untouched by reality of game with all potential consequences.


Hey, how angry are you that we plexed Rak and flipped it and now you can't take it back? Also I've noticed that you didn't have much to say about all this until we did so and now you are raging like a child. Have fun leaving FW and watching your corp dissolve.


Well game is big and we had other offers before.... FW is not everything .... but allways will find some time to gank ur tengu ...oh it never happened right ;)


with all respect we are just little dust particles in the EVE universe ....


The thing is you were ok with these changes and said nothing (nor did most of IBS) until it became clear they would affect you greatly. It's ok, we've enjoyed seeing you guys attempt to fight for Rakapas and we hope you do till eviction day, but I think I've never seen so much rambling from IBS on the forums as I did the day after we took Rakapas. Before then I think you were content to have these changes roll in.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#635 - 2012-05-12 09:46:24 UTC
I can see how older, established corps and players might wish to join a currently "losing" side, when there is the possibility of more action, and the lure of earning large amounts of lp, then cashing it in when the lp store is more favourable. Using their isk and ship reserves, and planning for the long term and so on.

I wonder though about newer corps and players. The tutorial still gives out the "letter of recommendation" which allows new accounts of <30 days age to join, even if they don't have the relevant standings yet.

However, with station access not guaranteed, and poorer rates of return on lp, newer entities may not have a satisfactory income from FW if they join a "losing" side, and have to depend more heavily on other sources of income.

Might create a bad initial impression, and thus be a problem for recruitment later on. And less people coming in, will tend to stagnate things for the opposing sides too.

Will be interesting to see how it turns out, after a few months.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#636 - 2012-05-12 10:03:59 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
I can see how older, established corps and players might wish to join a currently "losing" side, when there is the possibility of more action, and the lure of earning large amounts of lp, then cashing it in when the lp store is more favourable. Using their isk and ship reserves, and planning for the long term and so on.

I wonder though about newer corps and players. The tutorial still gives out the "letter of recommendation" which allows new accounts of <30 days age to join, even if they don't have the relevant standings yet.

However, with station access not guaranteed, and poorer rates of return on lp, newer entities may not have a satisfactory income from FW if they join a "losing" side, and have to depend more heavily on other sources of income.

Might create a bad initial impression, and thus be a problem for recruitment later on. And less people coming in, will tend to stagnate things for the opposing sides too.

Will be interesting to see how it turns out, after a few months.



unfortunately what i know current loosing side corps are gonna leave....
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#637 - 2012-05-12 10:08:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
marketjacker wrote:
Hidden Snake wrote:
marketjacker wrote:
Hidden Snake wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28659

ok as I expeted Hans .... blog showed nothing just pointing to my major fears ... ccp wants fw to become null wasteland (because Ytter thinks he is smart ... right?)

well after reading the blog really considering leaving FW even before the patch .... CCP really screwed it badly and vector of changes is even worse. Ugh

I am afraid ccp is totaly untouched by reality of game with all potential consequences.


Hey, how angry are you that we plexed Rak and flipped it and now you can't take it back? Also I've noticed that you didn't have much to say about all this until we did so and now you are raging like a child. Have fun leaving FW and watching your corp dissolve.


Well game is big and we had other offers before.... FW is not everything .... but allways will find some time to gank ur tengu ...oh it never happened right ;)


with all respect we are just little dust particles in the EVE universe ....


The thing is you were ok with these changes and said nothing (nor did most of IBS) until it became clear they would affect you greatly. It's ok, we've enjoyed seeing you guys attempt to fight for Rakapas and we hope you do till eviction day, but I think I've never seen so much rambling from IBS on the forums as I did the day after we took Rakapas. Before then I think you were content to have these changes roll in.



not sure what u talking about ... I oposed it before u took it .... even when it was first presented on fanfest ... in general i opose idea of null sec light for lowsec ... when it comes to conceptional things i do rage because of lack of conception from CCP ... i personally dont like too much to be a guinea pig. They are just throwing on ideas and wishing they will hit something (especially the lp changes are total pile of ****).

In general i dont care too much for Rakapas ... I do care for lowsec and NPC null ... the last remnants of game without nullbears and carebears.

We will adapt as usual ....this time probably outside of FW ...
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#638 - 2012-05-12 12:44:31 UTC
NPC null is full of carebears, they're all running the Pirate faction missions. Same with the people who join FW just to do the missions in stealth bombers.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#639 - 2012-05-12 14:01:07 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
NPC null is full of carebears, they're all running the Pirate faction missions. Same with the people who join FW just to do the missions in stealth bombers.


Syndicate not so much, because it's crap for isk making.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#640 - 2012-05-12 21:09:39 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
NPC null is full of carebears, they're all running the Pirate faction missions. Same with the people who join FW just to do the missions in stealth bombers.



NPC null is just a place to dock if you want to live in null sec with out sov.. kinda like low sec .. welp I mean low sec for guys not in FW.. Lol

If you just sit in same few systems in NPC null it's very boring and borderline ghey, kinda like camping high sec gates in low sec. Maybe you get some kills but the PVP overall tends to be dry & less filling..

Base out of npc null or low sec that is close to active sov space and do roams into that sov space.. That's where you will get the fun, but it's much different play style than FW. You have to keep moving at a pretty decent pace and take random fights that you happened to fall into..

It's more about setting up a basic route and heading out on a long roam seeing what you run into, or better yet what comes looking for you. Honestly between Gals & Caldari we live in one of the best locations in the game to randomly roam null sec and I've always been amazed more don't do it.