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CCP employees must be removed from the game.

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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#481 - 2012-05-10 17:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Andrey Wartooth wrote:


Could you link us to this icelandic law?


Youre talking to a guy whose told you he has Goons blocked

Edit: which he can see now since I quoted it lol


When it was brought to light by kugu, supposedly there was only a skeleton crew on staff, he was disciplined somehow then (as we were told then), and when it was later asked for his firing, we were told they couldnt because of an Icelandic law that made it illegal to punish him twice. As for a link, ask CCP. Its not MY fault if your account is too young to have been there

Cutout Man wrote:
CCP Arkanon wrote:
You're describing someone actively seeking to sabotage CCP, even in the hiring process. You're right that it would be hard to catch someone willing to jump through secret service level hoops to hide from us, but I'm confident we would catch them eventually.

And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found.

You're assuming an active desire to "sabotage" the hiring process. It is actually much, much simpler than that. Any person in this game who has actively participated in the more involved forms of the spy game would have already done all of the things I mentioned and many other things simply to evade the more intricate forms of alliance counterintelligence.


How many stories have you heard of where ppl run months/half year long infiltration ops? Guiding Hand?

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game

CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#482 - 2012-05-10 17:48:51 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?

You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole.


:eveo:
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#483 - 2012-05-10 17:53:32 UTC
Cutout Man wrote:
CCP Arkanon wrote:
You're describing someone actively seeking to sabotage CCP, even in the hiring process. You're right that it would be hard to catch someone willing to jump through secret service level hoops to hide from us, but I'm confident we would catch them eventually.

And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found.

You're assuming an active desire to "sabotage" the hiring process. It is actually much, much simpler than that. Any person in this game who has actively participated in the more involved forms of the spy game would have already done all of the things I mentioned and many other things simply to evade the more intricate forms of alliance counterintelligence. Many people would have no issue with not mentioning one of their characters if they thought for a minute they could get away with it. There needn't be any desire to "hurt" CCP at the root of their motivations. They aren't likely to see themselves as hurting CCP, only helping their friends with "harmless" information. Since we know for a fact something like this has happened before, it isn't unreasonable to posit that it will happen again.

The laws in the U.S. are such that employers who don't want to get sued into oblivion will make no comment to other employers that call for references other than to say whether or not they would rehire the person. I would guess that CCP, which has a U.S. subsidiary and can be sued in the U.S., takes a similar path. It is unlikely that anything other than firing would occur. I don't know who the people were in the T20 scandal, but I'm willing to bet they aren't living on the street. I'm not familiar with Icelandic laws, perhaps they differ. Perhaps that's as good a reason as any to consolidate the development team in Iceland.

None of this is to say that something untoward is definitely occuring, but it is clearly a concern or there wouldn't be an Internal Affairs group. The effect such a person has on the game is powerful. In most games, their damage would be limited to giving out goodies or money or maybe play time. EVE is built on player interaction in a player built world. The damage they do effects everyone who plays, either directly or indirectly. It is entirely appropriate that the player base question the system. The OP was short on anything substantive and I don't put much faith in it, but the responses from teh CCP side are a bit snarky and dismissive. You might consider muzzling staff responses on such delicate issues and issuing bland, stock statements.


I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.

I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#484 - 2012-05-10 18:00:32 UTC
goonswarm must burn / ccp must burn / i must use a shift key
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#485 - 2012-05-10 18:02:23 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE


Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread?

Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments.
Josef Djugashvilis
#486 - 2012-05-10 18:03:07 UTC
CCP should lock and even delete this thread.

But if they do, the 'conspiracy nuts' will see it as evidence that CCP have something to hide.

A few deluded players, who are not prepared to provide any evidence of wrong doing by CCP, are givng 'our' game unwanted; unwarranted bad publicity.

Put up or shut up.

This is not a signature.

Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#487 - 2012-05-10 18:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Malphilos wrote:
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE


Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread?


No, but I do think it's ****** up to try and damage a company reputation because your gun mining got nerfed. It was gun mining for you, wasn't it?

Ed: Actually sorry, I mixed you up with someone else. My apologies.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#488 - 2012-05-10 18:08:17 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE


Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread?

Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments.


Lol if they didnt over cheating in the game why the hell would they over the forums?

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game

Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#489 - 2012-05-10 18:09:34 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Malphilos wrote:
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE


Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread?

Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments.


Lol if they didnt over cheating in the game why the hell would they over the forums?


I don't think T20 is with the company anymore? I remember someone figuring that out somehow.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#490 - 2012-05-10 18:11:16 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:

I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.

I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to.


If you can't trust a super-secret process... then what can you trust?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#491 - 2012-05-10 18:11:42 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Malphilos wrote:
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE


Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread?

Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments.


Lol if they didnt over cheating in the game why the hell would they over the forums?


I don't think T20 is with the company anymore? I remember someone figuring that out somehow.


Yeah 'cept for ppl like Sig, "he didnt get fired but got to leave on his own" apparently isnt good enough

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#492 - 2012-05-10 18:12:02 UTC
but who watches the watchmen
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#493 - 2012-05-10 18:13:45 UTC
If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.

POST YOUR PROOF.

One single shred will do.

We'll wait.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#494 - 2012-05-10 18:14:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Quote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:

I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.

I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to.


Eh
you gonna start banning ppl for accusing Goon and CCP are in cahoots? I doubt that will help the issue

Ranger 1 wrote:
If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.

POST YOUR PROOF.

One single shred will do.

We'll wait.


Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#495 - 2012-05-10 18:18:08 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Quote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:

I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.

I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to.


Eh
you gonna start banning ppl for accusing Goon and CCP are in cahoots? I doubt that will help the issue

Ranger 1 wrote:
If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.

POST YOUR PROOF.

One single shred will do.

We'll wait.


Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again


Come on, if they'd done that this thread would have been a lot shorter and a lot less entertaining.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#496 - 2012-05-10 18:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Quote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:

I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.

I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to.


Eh
you gonna start banning ppl for accusing Goon and CCP are in cahoots? I doubt that will help the issue

Ranger 1 wrote:
If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.

POST YOUR PROOF.

One single shred will do.

We'll wait.


Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again


Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate.

As to the latter, you have a point. Smile

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#497 - 2012-05-10 18:20:34 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Quote:

Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again


Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate.

As to the latter, you have a point. Smile


even that though, from the more tinfoily will enflame their opinion that theyre right CAUSE their post got snipped

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#498 - 2012-05-10 18:23:16 UTC
I believe CCP employees should not have playable characters on Tranquility.

Not because I fear their /TR ME JITA commands, because only specially configured characters can use them, and they are all tracked.

It's because it weakens the game.

You might sit back in glee that you just killed a character in combat, but he/she might (for all we know) be an employee of CCP and cares very little for losing a ship, or losing anything to be honest.

If Staff need to test - use Sinq.
If Staff want to play this game - leave CCP and have a sense of pride over your character.
If Staff are not using their free account - delete it (some devs cannot even be bothered to create an avatar ffs, shows they care, doesn't it)

AK

This space for rent.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#499 - 2012-05-10 18:25:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Quote:

Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again


Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate.

As to the latter, you have a point. Smile


even that though, from the more tinfoily will enflame their opinion that theyre right CAUSE their post got snipped


That's a win/win situation though.

We don't have to suffer through the same regurgitated nonsense that has long since lost it's entertainment value, and their life is given some form of tenuous validation... quite possibly saving them from self inflicted harm they might otherwise do themselves as a result of being a laughing stock.

I would consider it a not only a public service, but a humanitarian act. Smile

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#500 - 2012-05-10 18:26:29 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Quote:

Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again


Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate.

As to the latter, you have a point. Smile


even that though, from the more tinfoily will enflame their opinion that theyre right CAUSE their post got snipped


That's a win/win situation though.

We don't have to suffer through the same regurgitated nonsense that has long since lost it's entertainment value, and their life is give some form of tenuous validation... quite possible saving them from self inflicted harm they might otherwise do themselves as a result of being a laughing stock.

I would consider it a not only a public service, but a humanitarian act. Smile


Lol Sreegs'; is gonna be busy, unless theyre gonna charge the ISDs with it. Youre talking like half the active threads nowadays

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.