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CCP employees must be removed from the game.

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Atomic Virulent
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-07 16:53:08 UTC
In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons.

For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED.

The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE.

Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.

This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth.

I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart?

Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game.

There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues.

These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-05-07 16:54:04 UTC
Goons are generally 100% accurate when it comes to making good decisions for game balance.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#3 - 2012-05-07 16:54:48 UTC
They hardly play it anyway, why bother?

Dodixie > Hek

dkbjitawhore
Logi Bribes Please Ignore
#4 - 2012-05-07 16:57:04 UTC
If they didn't advertise in the recruitment channel, and only convo'd you, they are following the rule to the letter.

Don't be so eager to give away your isk/stuff.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#5 - 2012-05-07 16:58:55 UTC
I think it would be fine as long as they were stuck in NPC corps. Lol

The problem is they always seem to end up in the big 0.0 alliances, and history is rife with examples of why that's bad for the game.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2012-05-07 17:03:38 UTC
Atomic Virulent wrote:
Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.
Oh, that's a simple one: because they purposefully designed the game specifically to allow for that.

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Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game.
No, that would be horrid, because that would mean the devs have no idea about the issues that exist with their own game. We've seen on a number of occasions that as devs are more and more disconnected for the game, they make increasingly worse design decisions, and that some of the best game changes come from the devs encountering and experiencing first-hand some issue that has been annoying everyone for ages.

If you have problems with any one dev or player, send a petition to Internal Affairs and have them look at it.
Calfis
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2012-05-07 17:07:24 UTC
Atomic Virulent wrote:

Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.


Dude, its a sandbox, don't build sandcastles if you can't keep the kid with ass-burgers from tripping and falling on it.
Siigari Kitawa
Weave
Weave.
#8 - 2012-05-07 17:08:04 UTC
Recruitment bit:

MOTD seemed to have changed between Feb. 22nd and Feb. 28th:

From the 22nd:

Channel ID: 24
Channel Name: Recruitment
Listener: Siigari Kitawa
Session started: 2012.02.22 11:38:57


[ 2012.02.22 11:38:57 ] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted.No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility.An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.


From the 28th:

Channel Name: Recruitment
Listener: Jocelyn Kitawa
Session started: 2012.02.28 12:19:17


[ 2012.02.28 12:19:17 ] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted.Posting scams is not allowed in this channel. We ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and please remember that any deals made or finalized are done at your own risk and responsibility.Additional recruitment sources are the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums and the in-game recruitment tool (recruitment tab in the corporation window).

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Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol
#9 - 2012-05-07 17:11:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aron Croup
Not sure where I stand on this topic. On one hand there's the conflict of interest, on the other hand it's hard to deny that it would be difficult for the developers to really understand the current state of game mechanics in EVE if they were not allowed to play.

I think the most essential rule has to be that any CCP employee who plays cannot reveal his or her status as a developer or GM to anyone in-game. If they adhere strictly to that code of conduct, and have some sort of preventative measures in place to discourage such disclosure, then I cannot see why they shouldn't be allowed to play?

[Edit]:

Oh and your whole tie-in with CCP being Goons, I'd have to ask you to present some hard evidence to prove your claim. If you cannot, the claim is at best irrelevant and at worst an irresponsible attempt to discredit CCP. Either way, nothing good will come of such accusations.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-05-07 17:11:46 UTC
this is a pretty hilarious level of sperg over "i didn't notice the recruitment motd was changed"

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-05-07 17:11:52 UTC
I'm mostly a hisec player with an occasional roam into low when I get my buddies online. Having said that I seriously think that hisec should quit whining and do something about it themselves. The supposed people who represent hisec players in the CSM could use their visibility to create some chaos atleast. I'm not a huge fan of the goons, but atleast they play and they have fun. If we don't like it we'd better show up or shut up.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-05-07 17:12:31 UTC
like really that's your big evidence for massive ccp corruption, the motd in the recruitment channel was changed

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-05-07 17:15:53 UTC
needs more exaggerations, hyperbole, and outright falsehoods to really complete with the sperglord tinfoil kings around here

you seem more dumb and uninformed than actually mentally unhinged, sorry
Tillin Sylph
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-05-07 17:16:12 UTC
You're kinda mad aren't you?
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#15 - 2012-05-07 17:16:33 UTC
Like they could legitimately police every contact derived from the recruitment channel.

Don't be an idiot.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#16 - 2012-05-07 17:17:23 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
like really that's your big evidence for massive ccp corruption, the motd in the recruitment channel was changed

I think someone didn't pass the goonwaffe recruitment requirements. Or was a spy...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-05-07 17:18:03 UTC
Scamming is one of the methods for extracting your tears that greases the engine of the GoonSwarm Federation.
Tillin Sylph
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-05-07 17:19:04 UTC
I'm spying on Goonswarm right now.
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-05-07 17:21:12 UTC
Tillin Sylph wrote:
I'm spying on Goonswarm right now.


Why don't I come over this afternoon and we'll do something about that hair.......

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#20 - 2012-05-07 17:21:28 UTC
Tillin Sylph wrote:
I'm spying on Goonswarm right now.

One sec, informing the appropriate authorities.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

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