Warfare & Tactics

QFT.

This thread is full of idiotic prophetic rambling from raging FW carebears. Thank you Hans for some logical reason.

You contradict yourself here so many times, I don’t know where to begin. Nothing stops the snowball effect? But you just described how the winning sides LP slowly becomes worthless, increasing the value of the losing team’s LP. You seem to have a grasp on some levels of how powerful market forces will be, yet still claim it’s a system with no safeguards.

Also, I just described why a group would want to join the losing faction, because its possible to make incredible profits over the course of a campaign that assists a militia in making a major comeback. No need to go over that again.

As for the system upgrades, there will be more on the way and there’s definitely items the CSM has already been pushing for that only didn’t make it into this release due to lack of time. Thankfully CCP will be working on this up to and including a Winter expansion with even more iterations. I don’t mind someone questioning what I’ve been up to, though you are correct that much is covered by the NDA.

I can say that as a FW pilot, almost every single major complaint that the community has had as far as missing elements is being investigated, but deadlines are deadlines and this is only the first round. That is why many forum posters are panicking, and I personally seem a lot more relaxed and optimistic. CCP isn’t asking me to buffer them at all, it’s just completely useless for me to go around pitchforking on the forums for issues that I know are being worked on.

This obsession with getting it right the first time is misplaced; this is not the CCP of a year ago where we honestly wondered if they’d ever look at Faction Warfare again. They are fully committed to following through with fixing the problems that emerge from this first pass, as well as adding more meaningful rewards , upgrades, and UI in subsequent releases. Have we forgotten that expansions come out in pieces? Inferno will be no different.

TL:DR – “They’ll adjust it in the future” isn’t complete bullshit, it’s the truth. Everyone moaned and groaned with Crucible, too, claiming that it was bullshit that CCP fixed so few things. I told everyone to be patient and that with some hard work, we’ll see a full expansion to Faction Warfare in the coming summer. I think my track record speaks for itself.

just a thought of the market effects of the new faction wide bonuse and penaltys....

so as it stands now you can get a navy apoc bpc for 250k lps on the live server on the test server due to the new tiered bonus/penalty thingy a navy apoc costs 400k LP, the market starves cause who is going to pay the extra lp then when and IF they price gets cheaper like lets say even back to normal the market is going to flood and it will crash cause everyone in the militia will cash in there lp at the same time and throw a major ammount of them up..

IMHO we are going to see the winning militias flooded withmission alts getting bonus to lp gain and cheaper stuff at the lp store. both bad when put togheter and the loosing side will just stop playing cause they cant support them selfts with isk cause there faction store is stupid overpriced cause we have no space. (personaly im fine have plenty of isk) but others will struggle

i would love to see ccp remove the penalty for loseing and just stick to rewarding the winning side. i would go as far to say ccp overthought this one with the new tier rewards and penaltys.

they are also promoting a sytem with NO reward for defencive plex that does notheing to promote running defence plex. example being amarr attack auga, it would be bettter for minmitar to let them take it and then plex it back themselfs cause they are rewarded to taking the system just not for defending it i would like to see cccp give half the LP reward for defence plex

other than those two game breaking fetures in my opinion ccp has done a great job on this expansion and im looking forward to seeing it go live i just hope they notice that some of these changes arent as well thought out as they originaly thought

just a thought.. most militias have alot of -10 players due to ccps falure to fix neutral remote reps and all the other stupid things that cause fleets to lose sec... shouldnt there be a set capitol system in losec that cant be captured so those players are not totaly screwed if there miltia does happen to lose all its space.

Why would someone not just farm L4 missions in hi sec and pay the same price for the faction ships as the losing side?

Correct me if wrong, but aren't the prices on SiSi reset to what the npc corp LP stores offer and the militias earn their way back to what we have now?

Yikes. How do you not see snowball effect-coming?

Wouldn't some really good, small PvP corps be more inclined to join the winning side for the cheaper ships in which they will fly themselves?

This is obviously something we're looking into, you're talking to a Logistics pilot here. My security status drops are almost exclusively because of repairing miltia members.



There already exists many systems throughout low sec unaffected by the war, which therefore provide a base of operations that cannot be taken away. For example, some of the Amarr militia have already retreated to Egghelende, which connects to the Hed constellation via Siseide and allows them to base a few jumps away from Minmatar sovereign space without ever suffering lockout.

Remember no one is forcing anyone to cash their LP out at the 4x price level, that is purely a player choice. It's a sandbox - some will cash out anyways, either selling items on the market at absurd prices or just eating potential profits they could have gained had they been patient and worked hard to bring prices down for their faction by reclaiming space..

Wise players will hang on to their LP rewards as long as possible, and make an effort to help their faction recover. Once the prices fall, all of the accumulated LP can than be cashed out.

It's like the stock market, the value of LP will not be fixed, and will in fact vary wildly depending on who's winning and who's losing. There is no reason to feel that players are being forced into paying the high LP store prices when they have the option to save, fight back, and cash them out when their currency stretches the farthest.



Because those high sec Level 4 LP's are a fixed value, and can never be made MORE valuable through a coordinated PvP campaign. LP earned in FW, however, can buy a substantially greater number of items if you work with your faction to drive the LP store cost back down and cash them out at that point in time.

So they/you hope that market pvp with one item will be enaugh to keep the force balanced. I know there is more than one unique item in the milita LP store, but who uses FW imps and i do not see so many navy augorer's(sythe's). The item of choice is here the navy tier 1 BS (geddon/phoon) and this is no bulk commodity. Even when we are optimistic and say the navy cruiser will be a factor too, who in hell would buy an overpriced faction BS/cruiser if he can get a pirate ship for almost the same price? The rest of the items can be gained from other LP stores for 25% of the LP and ISK costs, so no real FW based marked pvp with them.



Then go to the CSM forum and create a topic, post the things there that you adressed to the dev's, lock the topic and keep it on the front page. This isnt that hard and people would see that you are actually working on stuff and they wouldnt spam the forum continuously. E.g. i still dont know if CCP has realised that i can dock in enemy high while they denie docking in low

Cross-posting a great set of answers from the developers about the upcoming changes, and what lies beyond the May 22 release:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1278754#post1278754

Fixed that for you.