Warfare & Tactics

"Please note such LP is split for all eligible members that meet all capture criteria; as such, 2 Amarr enlisted pilots capturing a Minor site would only receive 5,000 LPs each."

Wont this create a load of 'leech' alts that jump into plexes that other Players have nearly finished before moving onto the next?

Will the reward be spit equally between a player who has completed 99% of the plex with a player who comes in for the last 1%?

Some clarification is needed here I think

I know it, CCP is trolling us. And the most important question's are still not answered:

Will sov stay sov or will occupancy becomme sov?

CCP Ytterbium: We won't reset anything. Occupancy will be directly translated into Sovereignty in FW systems.

What happens if no one upgrades the sytem (i know it's unlikely with this nice benefits ), will plexing still give LP?

At least capturing a sytem will mean somthing than, cause we can upgrade them, no to mention preventing our enemy's from docking. But everything is fine everybody will like the extra production slot or the 10% reduced market taxes; everything we do in low sec is trading and producing that much that all station slots are used.

[edit]: found the awnser's thx to Dirk Smacker

Ill try not to troll you too bad for this post


Please read the blog again:

Sovereignty control (system control) does not impact the LP rewards the WAR ZONE Control does. Taking sovereignty /upgrading sovereignty increase war zone control. Was the war zone control increases so does the rewards. From what the blog said the hub upgrades, etc improve station services.

Plexing gives LP
Kills Give LP
and finally missions will give LP

From the sounds of it fw missions will be greatly reduced for LP payout, they want people to fight not farm.

Their reasoning for allowing Neuts come in is spot on unless you want to have your own FW marketeers seeding lowsec (which I think occurs already)

The good this they did say is that this will be moitored and may change if it doesnt work the way they intend it to.

WHoever OWNS the system now will keep control (no sov reset), so IE if Rakapas is a Gallente captured system the Gallente will control it on patch day and you will be locked out of the station if your a Cal.

You know what the "improved" station services are?! Thats the troll. Why should you upgrade your system? To get more empty production slots? Or do u want a reduced market tax that saves maybe 1 mil while u pay much more in LP?

Just gonna say told yea so on the reset.. lol just trolling, but CCP has never reset null sec after changes so there really should have been no reasonable expectation that it would happen for FW.

As far as the LP for plexing.. It's obviously not very well thought out.

It encourages pilots to fly solo while capturing and not work as a team. In fact I can see it know, there will be arguments among people in their own Militia about guys stealing friendly LPs. Added to this there is no way to stop alts in your own Militia from farming guys LP's that are actually doing the work.

If Gals are taking Caldari systems and we don't happen to have numbers to stop them, then the best way to harass them is to use alts in Gal Militia to steal the LP's they get from running the plexes. Which of course I'm sure they will do the same as they already have more alts in Caldari Militia to farm Missions/Spy than Caldri has active players.. (ok maybe not that many but close)

While there is a mechanic in place to discourage blobbing of plexing on the attacking side. (split LP) there is no mechanic to discourage the blobing on the defending side. If we take out a small gang of 2 or 3 guys to attack Gal sites so we still make a decent amount of LPs in the process there is nothing to encourage the opposing side fight us with even numbers, being they get no LP for defending.

On the docking issues I wont beat a dead horse but honestly as a CEO of a decent sized FW corp that is growing daily.. I see this as a potential reason to eventually pull our corp out of FW.

The direction CCP is taking this by cutting mission rewards/splitting LP's ect is just giving everything to the side that happens to be winning "NOW". FW has always been a back and forth because over time each side of any war front would have it's ups and downs. The key factor is there was ability for them to always come back.

With system flips times now going to be about 35 hours with "ZERO" opposition, it's going to make capturing systems as rare as unicorns in space. Meaning we are likely to see a big push on systems Now up til patch day then it's done. CCP is basically giving everything to the sides that happen to have upper hand at the moment and then creating a playing field to take it back that will require 10 times the effort to take back what was taken with very little effort.

This means which ever sides end the day with the upper hand on patch day will likely stay that way because corps on the losing side will just go do something else as what we get for our effort will not be worth the time needed to be invested.


Edit..

I just wanted to add that the Bulk of FW players that are active are really not interested in Sov Warfare. Some of us will plex to get fights, but I can tell you straight up I'm not gonna go orbit buttons when I can go out roaming instead and have a better chance I might come across targets to fight.

Plexing has always been a niche thing and most of us if we did it at all just did it for PVP. What CCP has done is listened to the minatory of vocal forum complainers that wanted plexing to matter, so now the rest of us get stuck with Null sec lite.

We get all the boring grind with almost none of the benefits. Just because we don't have to grind through millions of HP of structures doesn't mean FW's new sov system isn't going to amount to anything more than a grind.. I built a corp in FW because it was a decent place to get access to pilots looking for PVP as well as lots of PVP opportunity with added bonus of having a place they could easily make ISK to support their losses.

With these new changes, if we want to stay in FW we are forced to do Sov warfare with very little rewards. What is the reason to not go to NPC null sec or just become pirates again?

ALRIGHT IT IS DONE FULL ****** MODE ENGAGED

ITS SO GREAT TO KNOW THAT CCP REYARDED DEVS WITH NO CLUE ABOUT SOMETHING DECIDE YET AGAIN TO CCPEE ON ANOTHER GAME NICHE WITHOUT ANY THOUGHT INTO THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS

STATION LOCKOUT MEANS THAT -10 PILOTS THAT LOSE THEIR STATIONS WILL HAVE TO QUIT FW OR MOVE 20 JUMPS TO THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE

YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FINAL NAIL ON THE FW COFFIN.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN 3 MONTHS IS THERE WILL ONLY BE 2 MILITIAS LEFT AND THE LOSING SIDES WILL NEVER RECOVER

>>>WHY HOW COULD THEY, AT THEIR WORST THIER LP REWARDS WILL COST 4X AS MUCH, THEY CANT DOCK ANYWHERE IN LOWSEC, THEY CANT RETREIVE THEIR SHIPS/ITEMS/REPAIR/RELOAD... WHO IN THEIR RIGHT FUQUING MIND WOULD STAY ANCHORED BY SUCH RESTRICTIONS???????????

>>>SPECIALLY WHEN A MUCH SIMPLER SOLUTION IS AVAILABLE: ---QUIT FW--- AND BEHOLD, YOU ARE FREE AGAIN!

LONG LIVE LOWSEC,
LONG LIVE THE FEDERATION (as long as until my home stations are not locked out)
LONG LIVE -10,

HERE COMES INFERO, HERALDING A NEW AGE OF LOWSEC PIRACY

Yeah - the most important part is the warzone control it seems. Will make LP store prices 4x cheaper or more expensive than they currently are...

That is a pretty good carrot and stick.

I still don't agree with the neutral docking thing, but frankly I'm excited about the rest. I will keep an open mind. They obviously put a lot of work into this. If it sucks, they will change it.

And Neo - the caps lock button. Sheesh.

Well its clear that CCP wants to basically kill FW. The goal being FW light.

I could put up with most of the other not well thought out and implemented stuff. But the station lockout is a deal breaker.

Maybe its just me but I tend to think the goal should be to make gameplay interesting and fun. That is not what the road ccp wants to go down in seems. They are in Punishment mindset and more high entry barriers.

Account canceled. Luckily i only paid 3 months in this time instead a year like last time. Was a wise move.

I dont even have the will to log in anymore.

CCP game design is to apply anchors to players instead of wings.

The new system service bonuses are so useless it's hilarious.

At level 5:

• 50% cost reduction of clones. Looks nice, but there really aren't that many medical services in FW zones and they aren't really spread out sensibly either.
• 50% reduction in market and contract fees. With all the reductions from skills and standings those fees are already close to neglible. And it's not like the FW systems located in low-sec will ever grow into a serious market hub.
• 5 more industry and science slots. As if the low sec industry slots are 100% occupied. Even in hubs, queues generally only take a few days to clear, and 5 more slots won't matter much there either. The science slots are a bit more useful, but it is still in a low-sec station.

Pathetic.

How about increasing all market fees substantially so FW reductions actually make a difference? How about making the benefits FW-only or at least require a good standing? How about taking a good look at the ridiculous distribution of stations and services, totally randomly generated over nine years ago and never adjusted or balanced. How about making the renting cost of industry and science slots depend on the local demand, so they become an actual price-factor so the production in empire, now mostly within a few jumps of Jita, will have to spread out, perhaps looking for the FW-benefits.

The problem with FW benefits is not that they are too meager, it's that the rest of the pilots in empire already have it very easy with negligible station fees and all the service capacity they require in the safety of high-sec, far away from insecure FW-space.

for neutrals to farm.... Can't believe they are allowing neutrals to siphon off rewards.