Warfare & Tactics

Never mind let's just see.

This right here is a major flaw with docking restrictions, crap.

This whole thing is not very well thought out.

It needs to be put back on the drawing board and something else thought up.


I will never be in the PUNISHMENT IS INCENTIVE CAMP. Its not, you cant incentive anything with punishment. You make the rewards worth it instead. Are we really talking about consequences here or are we talking about punishment.


They are basically going to turn FW into a second job. Null sec light. Which is bull.


I mean rather then making us want to run plexs cause they are fun. Instead they are saying run plexs or else.

You have amazing low standards for what is well thought out then.

This comes off as RP fluff more then good gameplay mechanics.

If you read back through old forums topics there were loads of people that seemed to think for some reason that plexing should matter. Many complained about enemies docking in their stations..

In fact prior to you Gals deciding to start plexing 5 or 6 months ago it was often a common line from Gal general militia saying they didn't plex because it didn't mean anything.

Sadly, those whom wished for these changes seem to now have disappeared, and the rest of us get the result of the squeaky wheel getting the oil. CCP has just done what all those guys whom whined about plexing not mattering wanted.

Station lockouts would be fine if they would stop neutrals from being able to dock in the warzone as well, if their standings were low enough. If neutrals get to share the benefits of FW system upgrades, then they should share the penalties as well. Frankly I don't think CCP has the balls to do something like that so this will probably be easily gamed. I think it's a good idea in principle though.

But for christ's sake CCP, give us something actually worth upgrading a system for like cyno jammers.

Hans needs some wife-time, he'll be back in a day or two, lol.

Only people in 0.0 are allowed cynojammers for sov upgrades. Only out there is it not game breaking. Apparently it's ok to get cut off from traveling with your supercap out there (where they were intended to be used), but it's not ok to get cut off from your traveling with your supercap through low sec (where they were not intended to operate).

BTW, the only way this expansion is deemed a success is if a bunch of corps/alliances outside of FW join up. Otherwise, it's just putinng in PITA mechanics for everybody who is already here. I don't see why anybody would want to join up under these new rules, but I guess I'm not the target audience for these changes.

As for people saying "lets just wait and see." This makes very little sense. I know how often I dock in enemy controled stations. It happens pretty much everytime I roam or even take damage from rats in plexes during a roam. I typically just keep roaming through enemy space until I either die or have to go and then dock up.

This will mean I can not play eve unless I can make sure I have that extra uninterrupted time set aside. I often will just sign on for a half hour and roam to find a system busy with wts and pop open a plex hoping for fight. Now I am going to have to go jumping several jumps back to and from base everytime. These sorts of roams will be very limitted or likely even non-existant. When I am with a gang I usually can not stay online for the entire roam before I have to quit for the night. So this change means I will need to leave the gang even earlier so I can go several jumps back to base. So for me, I know this means less eve.

These are the facts of my real life schedule. This is also one reason why I don't roam in sov null sec.

You may be right about logging off. But I thought they changed the mechanics so your ship stays in space for longer if you are aggressed even by npcs. Is this the case? If I am wrong on this mechanic then this might be a good solution.

As for fitting cloaks on all my ships yeah I thought of that. I already posted about how I think this will be a almost a requirement for anyone who wants to roam deep in enemy space. But I think they are expensive (at least the tech 2 ones that help you do the mwd trick to get past gate camps) and they just needlessly take up a high slot that I would prefer to put somehting else in.


Edit to edit: Yes it appears that if you have aggression and log off you just sit there for until your 15 minute aggression timer runs. This applies to all ships not just capitals
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=165178#post165178

I am told by someone who lost a ship this also applies to aggression from rats. This is not true. it only applies to player aggression:

"After a player logs out, there is a check for player aggression every 15 minutes. If you have been aggressed, the timer extends for 15 minutes; if you have not been aggressed, you disappear as before. Note: this is only for player aggression and will not change what happens when you log off during fights against NPCs."

Logging off might have some limited value assuming you haven't been aggressed by anyone. In the last 15 minutes. I am not sure this will be much help. It seems that if you log off with say 5 minutes left on the timer you will actually sit in space for 15 minutes.

I don't know how the mechanics for npc aggression work. Do you log off immediately if you have npc aggression? Are the different timers clearly marked? So that if I fight someone pvp in a plex and then go on plexing will it show how much is left on the pvp timer?

As for your idea of putting up a pos in a system that you can can not hold. I guess i am drawing a blank. Why would you give your opponent a free pos full of ships to shoot in a system you can not hold?

I appreciate your help but these solutions are looking pretty bleak.

The long-awaited Dev Blog is up!!

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28659