Warfare & Tactics

If you weren't trolling weakly I'd ask for proof of my rabidness.

Absolutely true. We used to be a bunch of bickering tribes more obsessed with a killboard race against each other for 3p33n reasons than actually cooperating to win the war. The Amarr on the other hand had superior organization and a centralized sense of discipline. And you're right, we cut our teeth by throwing crap against well armored BS fleets with proper logi, hoping to take down an expensive ship or two before we lost our cheap stuff. Why did we do this? Because it was fun, and we had a laugh.

We griped and griped and griped about the Amarr "blobbing" us to death, and whined about how they would always outship us and outnumber us. It won't be the last time either, eventually they will bounce back and we'll be back to whining again. Welcome to Faction Warfare, where its always the enemy's fault for not "playing fair".

Times change. Winners and losers change. The stakes themselves are about to change. But War? War never changes.

Until CCP implements the proposed changes, and your previous foes either drop milita and/or leave the area.

I'm glad CCP finally got around to killing FW.

Before this, I was against the station stuff, but otherwise thought this would be a net positive. Taking what we now know, I think CCP will accomplish what I previously thought impossible: Making factional warfare worse than it is now.

First, here is what we know based on the test server thread and Hans's gracious information in this thread
- Plexing doesn't actually give you any LP, it merely steals LP from the opposing militia's IHUB
- System ownership gives you the ability to dock in that station, and to put LP into iHUB to get small benefits to station services

So, there will be practically no-one putting LP into the IHUB when it can be siphoned off while the person is sleeping, especially when the rewards for putting LP into the IHUB are so minimal.

Therefore, plexing will have no rewards.

The only incentive then to plex will be the stick of not being able to dock in the station. All this does is add to the only motivation that exists now to plex, Schadenfreude, and that has generally not been a great motivator up to now.

The only reason left to stay in FW instead of going pirate will be access to FW missions. And I predict that a lot of people will train alts to pick up missions and then run them with their faction aligned pirate main. That is assuming that level V's aren't more profitable after the FW LP store changes (which we don't really know much about yet). Especially since other pirate gangs in the region will have a significant advantage in the FW warzone being able to dock up/repair etc.

In conclusion, CCP managed to make FW worse. I did not think it possible.

Wait, is that how it works?

I didn't get LP in Nenn on SiSi the night of the changes. I assumed they fixed it when I got 10k today.

Look at my original post, I quoted that directly from Hans. Since he's on the CSM and we have no dev blog otherwise, he's my primary source of information.

While you are taking note of those who are smacking you now, don't forget to take note of those that are NOT smack talking you. I for one dislike the smack coming from my side just as much as the smack that comes from your side.

What follows is almost pure speculation.

Systems with less LP investment are easier to take for this reason. So LP itself is a way to prevent a system from being taken while you sleep. It's siphoned off, yeah, but at a limited rate whereas you can invest any amount of LP into it whenever you want. DT's significant again though: you'll lose a ton of LP if you can't close the non-respawning plexes. So the new system will mark on the map exactly where everybody's (in-FW) home bases are and which systems are especially contentious: those systems will be hardened, and everything else will be dead, never upgraded.

So I've these questions:

1. Why should anyone ever upgrade a system they don't live in?

2. Why should anyone even want to live in a FW system when they must keep paying LP to make it 'safe'? Medical clones aren't expensive to begin with, and you rarely need to upgrade them.

3. Are there LP rewards for plexing a system without investment - which may be nearly all of them?

4. If the answer to #3 is "no, but you'll get rewarded when you flip it", why should anyone defend a system that they haven't invested anything in and that the enemy will then also not invest in after they take it? When they could flip it back...

I can understand the expectation that the people who fight for occupancy even when it "doesn't matter" will continue to fight for it, and invest LP all around, but nobody wants to be a chump. If the only fresh source of LP is missions or kills, then people who invest LP in unlived-in systems are denying themselves isk and faction ships to fly, and only so that enemy plexers can take that LP and (if they aren't also chumps) spend it on isk and ships. The 'stick' of station lock-out is so much of a stick that it's self-defeating, as argued earlier.

If the desired change to FW is that we're all ignoring most systems to only attack 'hardened' enemy home bases, then... I don't feel like explaining why FW would no longer appeal to me. Maybe someone else will.

Stop being a self righteous, pompous doom sayer. You mad that TMFED can't keep all of their capitals in Auga 3rd anymore and shutdown the entire warzone 24/7? Or that you cannot take your lame kiting tengu fleets into plexes where most of the fighting will be now?

Suck it up or unsub pal.

No one from the corp I am in is a forum warrior except me. SFAIK They are active in faction war and active doing pvp but normally don't post on these forums.