Warfare & Tactics

You sure the name of your corp isn't Imperial Forum Outlaws?

I want cyno jammers!!!!!

Non station systems will be isk farms ...

Wow this is amazing...CCP finally, finallyyyy, FINALLY dedicates a patch to FW and there is NOTHING BUT BITCHING.

Who cares about station lock outs?! It makes perfect sense and will create real tangible battle lines that currently FW needs. So what if you can't camp Auga 3rd 24/7 completely ruining the warzone for everybody else? Who cares if you can't stage 20 capitals in your enemies home station so you can get those totally awesome hour long capital fights and capital mails? Shut up with the whining. Station hugging and station camping is not fun.

By locking out stations all that will happen is 1) more fights on gates, 2) more fights in plexes and 3) a advantage for the faction being camped in a station because they do not have to worry about the enemy docking in their station and undocking one of the capitals they have stored there once the fight starts.

Get over yourselves. This patch, if implimented correctly, will give FW a NEEDED boost in fun. System upgrades and real faction sov? More LP for kills and LP for plexes? No more no lifer corps camping enemy markets (Auga 3rd ahem)? Count me in.

THANK YOU CCP and do not listen to these FW drama queens who have been dragging the feature down for so long.

EDIT: And also, perhaps most importantly, by locking out stations it means this. When you see war targets in local, you now KNOW that they are active and moving about. No more going afk during or after a roam in a enemy station for hours on end, now you need to actually travel back to a system with your factions sov and safe dock.

This alone makes it more likely to find a fight, and less likely to have enemies station camping afk targets for hours. Knowing that your targets active and not afk docked is a MAJOR change and definitely for the better.

I normally wouldn't agree with anything gal says, but give me a ******* CYNO JAMMER CCP!



The rest is fine with me if you include the ability to cyno jam FW low sec via LP or whatnot.

To everyone bitching about losing docking rights HTFU, it will be a nice change of pace and get you lazy slouches to move around a bit more for a fight. (talking to fellow gals here)

On the subject of a sov reset, I can understand both sides and really don't care either way.


Adapt.

"I do not know the first thing about human beings."

Allow me to explain: we are not talking about the features we like because we like them. We do not hope to change anyone's mind about features that everyone desires. If one person says "hey, X is cool", and then nobody says "no it's not!", then none of the people who agree that X is cool feel a need to speak up. However, if one person says "hey, X is bad", and then X is already on SiSi, then everyone who agrees that X is bad has an interest in talking about it right away.

And in general, when you agree with someone, it's sufficient to nod, or 'like', or join the applause. When you disagree with someone, a shake of the head, or a 'dislike', or a 'boo', or a terse "u r a tard", is usually not sufficient to communicate your disagreement. You need words and sentences, and they will need the same when they disagree with what you've said, and threads will grow.

You want something other than bitching? Here: I really look forward to getting LP for plexing, because that is what I'm doing most of the time.



I've said, if it helps you, don't tihnk about it as "station lock-out", think about it as "everybody mostly ignores the stations for no apparent reason". You can easily RP either behavior of the stations, but in your 'perfect sense' scenario, the capsuleers are behaving oddly. Actually, even the stations are behaving oddly: why should they allow me to contract my stuff to a third party? Why hasn't my stuff been seized and turned over to the Republic? And meanwhile they'll shoot my GCC'd alt but still let him dock, repair what their guns did to his ship, fill his cargohold with Republic tags, and then shoot at him again as he flies away?

No, 'perfect sense' here only means 'like nullsec'. Wait, actually it's: 'like sov nullsec'. Well, get rid of 95% of the stations, remove gate guns, remove sec status hits, let me use bombs and bubbles, and then we'll talk.



They already exist. Are Amarr taking systems in the Essin constellation? Are Minmatar taking a lot of systems in Vaarma? No, both of us are in back-and-forth in Jayai and Semou, with some action in Hed.



Hey, have you heard of instas? Do you realize that the session-change timer is now like two picoseconds long, so you can undock, stop your ship, look around, and then dock with almost complete invulnerability? You know that we don't have bubbles?

And are you playing the same game I am? Because I never see anything but brief, opportunistic station camping.

I see a ton of gate camping, though, which is a mechanic without instas or (equivalent) 'redocking', and I'll still see a ton of it after Inferno.



For reasons already given, these are completely insubstantial advantages. Can you think of any more substantial advantages?

Not-quoting due to a forum limitation: "Get over yourselves."

This is just 'waaaah, stop talking about subjects that don't interest me. You should talk about other things.'

NO. U.

- The new FW window is on SiSi and is blank.

- You can still afk some offensive plexes after killing the first spawn.

- Most datacores cost more than their current market price before you spend LP.

- The upgrades don't do much for pure PvP pilots. Not sure what the "buffer" upgrade does.

- 10000 LP for an offensive minor plex.

- FW Missions haven't been changed.

- Lockouts in effect.


I can envision a "we can't wait to make even more changes to this feature" promise statement in the near future.

The medals for every system was YEARS ago, also curbstomping in plexing is not curbstomping in PVP. Your post is just filled with angry drivel and you are mad that you don't have the skills, isk and willpower to contend with Gal Mil. Guess you're done? I for one won't miss any of the fights FW gives me, SLAPD is a pirate corp, we'll get our kills and fights no matter what.

Will be funny if we take it back day before the patch... We will see what will happen ... I am just on vacation ....

....and so far i am more concerned about direction of lowsec....


.....ad to plexing ... Well we fliped it once if u remember ... I think it was the day u slefdestructed ur second or third tengu?



Crap ... Failed to troll again

Or they could make you clear the npc's in order to cap.

But I haven't heard anything about touching the plexes themselves.