Missions & Complexes

Exactky The whole idea of a sandbox is That people can do what they want.

Now that there MIGHT be a possibility that CCP will re-investigate incursions, I feel a need to post something.

Currently, I am back to doing Level 4 missions or ratting to get enough isk to pay for PVP. Incursions aren't even close to worth doing for the risk and logistics involved. You nerfed them to uselessness without performing a proper investigation... AGAIN. Time and again you do this. If you don't have enough resources, offer up some in-game players some incentives to log into SISI and do your work for you or something. Don't just "nerf now fix later". You're just gonna **** us off. Oh wait, too late.

Because that's always gone over so well in the past...

Assaults are technically easier to do, they removed the dangerous triggers and added more NPC's to every wave. So it takes a lot longer to complete but there is less chance of being overwhelmed with incoming DPS.

I'd say fleet composition has changed a little as well, the NCN's seem faster on the cruiser side. We had a BS heavy fleet and the cruiser side had only 5 DPS and were still completing their pocket faster than the BS side. So taking close range BS as well and limiting your group to 4-5 T3's may make it more efficient and faster composition.

I like what you did there... But CCP Soundwave did say he was looking for constructive responses.

Back On Topic... The Nerf on Vanguards can stay, if Assaults and Headquarters are buffed to compensate for the difference. We are using bigger stronger fleets to do these sites and getting no reward for it when we could simply form 2 or 4 vanguard fleets and farm the hell out of Incursions... Because the Incursion communities aren't fractured enough.

I disagree with even that. All areas of EVE should be "endgame" space; they should all be able to support a high-risk, high-reward lifestyle.

I don't agree with nerfing the rewards available in hi-sec; if anything, they should be increased. I just think that they should be balanced & reworked with additional risk.

The concept of hi-sec as a "beginner area" has been dead since 2005.

A WILD MOTHERSHIP APPEARS!!!

Players want a gap between non-shiny and shiny ships, we want to be able to build up nice ships and see an improvement and reap reward for investment. I think the new OTAs are a nice step for this even though the new NMCs and NCOs are F1-faceroll sites.

The mechanics in OTAs are a big step in the RIGHT direction, the problem is the balancing, they just arn't worth running.
I hate being in fleets where people say "oh man the new OTAs are so fun but i need to actually make some isk so im going to go mine while a take a dump"

Just tossing my 2 cents in here:

The patchnotes said that assault time was decreased. Where did this go? I think if you did that, assaults become more popular, as at the moment, I can see very few people doing them other than people who did them pre-nerf, or a few tentatively trying them. You've stopped vanguard farming, sure, but people are abandoning incursions in favor of nullsec anomalies or L4 mission blitzing. Why should something pay more if it needs less effort?

FIX: Decrease the assault time by having smaller, less frequent spawns, but the same number of enemies. This means they are dealt with faster (none of the crazy RR as mentioned before in this thread) but still challenge you.

As has been mentioned, OTA sites are broken, at least from a worth the time/not worth the time perspective. The site was designed with the old spawn in mind, and balanced accordingly, so the new random spawns and 'kill everything' objective has messed them up. While I agree that the 3X Deltole Tegmentum -> victory in about 3 mins was wrong, the new thing is wrong also.

FIX: Make it so that you have to kill a few spawns that are constant, and compliment them with randoms. You can try and blitz them by killing just the designated ones, or methodically work your way through the whole thing. The constant spawns alone would take about 5-6 minutes to kill, the whole thing about 10. Unless you bring fucktons of logis, you have to work through them slowly or risk getting assraped. Actually make it so that the whole 'reduce DPS or you will die' thing makes people die, and you're golden.

Nullsec/Lowsec incursions aren't done anymore, because they pay less than exploration for more effort and risk, as well as paying the same as highsec. Again, something tells me that something is out of balance if you can make the same/more in highsec doing any activity than low/null.

FIX: Un-nerf lowsec incursions, then boost them a bit more. Have nullsec ones pay more than the current ones but less than lowsec. As for a reason for low to pay more than null, lowsec is still empire, so CONCORD will pay you highsec price + danger fees etc. on top of it. Nullsec is ruled by us, so CONCORD aren't obliged to give us anything, but pay us a little extra on top of the highsec one for evicting sansha anyway.

All sites except 1 or 2 can be run with a single, shiny fleet without problems. This makes things bland, and reduces incursions to 'bring X or GTFO', which isn't a good thing to have.

FIX: Make every site require a radically different fleet composition to run with any kind of efficiency, but are juuuust doable with a single fleet. Make one heavy on tackle, ECM and tracking disruption, thus requiring close-range fits with projected ECCM and tracking links on logis, another with lots of sniper ships, so you need long-range hitters with lots of logi reps, for example. You can still run them with current fleets, but it would be a ***** to do and a specialized fleet would steamroller you. Mix it with some variation of spawns while having the same effect and it would be brilliant.

Sites stack up in systems and aren't run for ages. This stagnates the incursion and is generally not nice to look at.

FIX: make payment scale with the time the site has been left alone, but sansha influence is regained at an ever-increasing rate if sites are not run and the sites themselves get harder. Combine this with increasing influence penalties within the sites themselves and people MUST run them or might not be able to run them at all, and be forced to stare at all the money they could make for a week.

I think that just about covers it

Are you aware that Vanguard Site's make the blue bar go up? Meaning your pitiful HQ Fleet don't go into Structure, Meaning if the Nerf continue's people will not be bothered to do Vanguards. From what i have heard, It takes 1 hour to do 2 site's? Incursions are a group effort, Evening the guys doing VG's are making a difference.

Fractured, What are you on about, Are you aware that there is a big section of the community who want to farm, If you take notice, Incursions are ran by Alt's who want isk for a Nyx, Or other toy's, A lot of people don't care about HQ's, I am one of them, Yes i enjoy incursions but, I can assure you i am not poking HQ's with a stick, They are slow, Plus Btl and other community's are just idiot's, You are one of them if you think VG's don't need to be revisited again, Yes Dread, There is people who want to farm the hell out of them, ISN is one community that is proud in trying to blitz them as fast as we can, Or shal we all go back into Maelstroms and Abaddons?

HQ is just a reason for more idiots to **** up, But regarding incursion community's aren't Fractured enough, Well how wrong you are, There is community's based in VG's, Assaults and HQ's, We play EVE how we want, Not to all convert to HQ's so you don't struggle to make a fleet of meta 4 guns.



A Tip: We are not all like yourself and "Love" HQ's