Missions & Complexes

The thing is, we don't live in a perfect world, the few "perfect fit" blitz fleets that can take the credit for this patch made the entire community suffer. I used to fly a legion so i know how blitzing is done, i also know there is a subtle difference between ARMOR and SHIELD fleets, as both have different fleet compositions and can do sites differently more or less.

The thing is you have to hear out both sides, i personaly have no interrest in vanguards, the completion times for a NORMAL fleet is always above 10mins, usualy 13-19mins (85% of ppl running are normal random fleets). I rather do assaults which last 17-23mins for doubly the isk and lp. I only do vgs if i can't get into assault fleets.

my point is, i know you wanted to kinda nerf it,but the excessive amount of time coupled with low isk ,combined with the proper fit you need to be able to get invited into fleet is just NOT worth it.

My question is, why should i invest into say 400mil ship, (not too expensive and not too cheap hopefully people agree with me here) when i need to run 50 VG sites to be able to cover it, and in EACH OF THOSE SITES I HAVE A REAL CHANCE OF LOSING IT!
I could just do DED sites in highsec, or minning hiden plexes or just as everyone else says l4 missions.

U guys rly made something nice with the community grouping up to do stuff together regardless as someone mentioned of politics, why ruin it? the TDF channel is half of what it used to be, i don't mind people leaving but its harder for the rest of us having to suffer due to a small amount of elitists who did sites extra fast... not to mention noobs aren't rly welcome anymore, which makes it again harder for them... but then again eve was never a newcommer friendly game (i paid for the game played for trial and first month and gave up cause there wasn't anything to do with someone and space is SO BIG) but i came back and am here now...

CCP WAKE-Up PLEASE, there's been a number of questions posed in this thread, some intelligent, some understandable, and that I just plain ridiculous just plain ridiculous, you have people on your staff that their job to keep track of these threads & answer/bring questions to your attention the fact that you seem to be ignoring a thread that you started. Did somebody pose a few questions that you don't know the answers to?? Can you give us at least a post saying that you've read this thread at all. Some answers to the intelligent questions would be nice as well.

priceless :)

... oh waite ... i only got some lame books and cruiser to choose from ... not that they would had to give anything anyway ... but .... those things would be so much more appropriated for new players stating ...

The troll is strong with this one.... just so we're clear CCP!

WHAT IS HAPPENING IN LO/NULL SEC? It was a bit of a guarded secret but before the nerf lo sec systems were being done. Are they still ( a question for alts I suppose ) If the GOONs are to be believed they are giving up on the NULL incursions now

My 2 cents worth:

People did incursions for the isk and to a lesser extent the communal effect. It took a little time to get a fleet of 10 people together, but after you did, you made good isk. Along with that you got the opportunity to talk to other people via eve-voice, teamspeak or some other voice app. Now maybe the amount of isk made was a little much, but a lot of the people I flew with were PVPers and they took that isk, bought ships and went back to low sec for PVP. It also got to be quite tedious running site after site, knowing what to expect. In fact the only reason why I kept doing it was because I needed the isk.

It's been a couple of weeks since I've done an incursion, but last I seen, killing every ship of every wave sucked. Again we know what to expect, payout has been reduced, and the time to finish a site takes much longer. I've since quit doing incursions. Some may say I should start doing Assault sites as they are the new VG's, but it takes time to get and keep a fleet together, and the bigger the fleet the harder it is to sustain. VG's were good because fleets weren't overly difficult to sustain.

So, with the above in mind:

- reinstate the %10 for VG's
- get rid of the "kill every ship" trigger.

and the one that I think would really sell

- incorporate human interaction on the side of Sansha. Reward them with isk if they manage to kill or stop a human fleet. Not only would that introduce the element of surprise, but you would be creating a second community of player. While they wouldn't actually fly the Sansha ships as this would probably lead to cheating, they could pre-plan some things. I.E.

1. Allow them to pre-plan the defense for the Sansha fleet
- They pick which human ships to kill for priority (basi first, then battleships)
- They define the composition of the Sansha fleet, which ships and how many (within limits)
- They can pick the ship(s) that are trigger(s)
- They dictate the fitting of individual Sansha ships with modules (jammers, neuts, etc...)

The best plans get saved and CCP could reuse them for incursions in general. This line of reasoning could also be applied elsewhere in the game (lvl 4 missions, sleeper sites, etc...)

2. Let people control the logistics arrays. If they see a Deltole going down, they can focus repping power on it. If they do nothing with it, then it simply falls back to being AI controlled.

These are just a couple of examples, but the potential is there to increase the original popularity by a significant margin.

double post sorry

You guys need to stop pretending you care about the "communities."

There's no shame in saying you like having an isk printer.

Your favourite dev?

Why?

He was one of the firmest supporter of that trainwreck that was incarna, he was also one of the people who started the idea(anti-capitalistic btw) "our customers dont know what they really want, they'll eventuelly settle down and pay us"&"1000 dollars jeans".

edit.

I think that some of the sites need to be redone, not just have the spawns tweaked.

NCNs, for example...they're a pain in the tush, because more often than not, the fleet is short on something. Simply move all of the spawns to one side or the other and set the gates back to normal ship restrictions, and it'll be much less of a pain. NMCs could perhaps be looked at, too, since the only people mining them are the ones who are mining out the whole asteroid and selling it, which I imagine was not the original intention.

More attention also needs to be paid to which rats are really capable of slowing the fleet down. In particular, snipers can be a real nuisance...they can be a very effective bottleneck on how fast the fleet moves.



I'm actually rather glad to see vanguards on the bottom rung as far as payouts go, now, but they're below even L4 payout for most,so perhaps the bottom rung needs to be bumped up a bit?


The balance between HQ and Assault fleets is also an odd one. Depending on the type of site that spawns, the payouts on both of them can vary drastically depending on the type of site being run, but from what I understand, assaults are now above HQ in terms of payout? Can anyone confirm? (I usually get 40-60m/hr in HQs...not really that much more than the new VGs )