Warfare & Tactics

Have to agree with most others here Hans. We have all done ALOT of work to secure systems for our Miltias. Reseting is just a CRAZY idea.

Thanks for all your other your support regarding FW changes, they will be a godsend, but yeah just cant agree with your statement.

If you want space... Start working together and fighting us!

Reset+lock out would potentially cripple GalMil for days. SOTF, SLAPD and Villore Accords are all primarily based in systems that would be flipped back.

SLAPD isn't based in a system that would be "flipped back" since it's been under caldari occupancy for awhile now.


As for the rest of the issue. I think a reset would be pretty gay. Some caldari corps base in gallente systems and some gallente base in caldari systems (some for years now). If this reset is really happening, CCP needs to make a decision now and announce it, and not deal with "maybes". Give FW corps time to move their **** and plan accordingly well in advance.

I'm fine with it not being reset if it takes the same amount of time as it does now to flip a system. But as I understand it, they are DRASTICALLY changing the time it takes to flip a system.

No, outside of maybe three systems, it's not an incentive because you don't have anything in that system that you'll be locked out from because you'll have already moved everything. You'll be left with all the same old incentives to defensive plex. If it helps you, don't think of the feature as "station lock-out"; think of it as "everybody mostly stops using the stations for no apparent reason".



Which, try to keep up, pal, are things you get more of when there are more enemy POSes than there would otherwise be in a region. You spent a whole paragraph above saying "I can't read FW threads"; this is something I've talked about in this thread.



Like my ship completely disappearing from space after I log out, and like my still being able to jump into Minmatar/Gallente highsec to repair my ship, like highsec itself, like bubbles and bombs magically not working anywhere in lowsec, like my own orbit impairing my ability to shoot a stationary target. It's a game. Because it's a game, you need more than 'realism' as a justification for a change -- especially when you get that same level of 'realism' just as easily with some clever RP. Like, maybe station NPCs are so justifiably terrified of capsuleers that they ignore our fight and we ignore them in a convenient pact made out of band with the war by the respective empires who still want their stations in these areas to be operational. There are obvious real-world parallels.

Meanwhile, because this is still a game, a new feature can positively or negatively affect the game. To learn more about that, stop writing paragraphs that mainly communicate your inability to follow FW threads, and go try to read them.

They changed taking FW systems before from really long to really short, and did not reset. Was this controversial back then?

Yep, this is the specific issue that a reset is just an easy-to-communicate solution for. Flip five systems at 10:00, and then at 12:00 the enemy can have fun doing 5x the requisite plexes to turn things around.

The best solution is an early and unannounced implementation of that specific change. All of the defenses of the last-minute ****-you that people will come up with, will be even more applicable to an early implementation.

As far as our testing on Sisi has shown so far, there seems to be no LP for defensive plexing, only for offensive. I'm not sure that's enough incentive for the losing side, and it has some issues for the defending side in that it might encourage people to go solo plex in back end of nowhere rather than heavily fought over systems, but it ought to help some for the 'losing' side.

Like everyone else, I am just spitballing here, but after reading most of the thread, these are my thoughts (which are subject to change on whim or sobriety):

1. I still think sov capping should only lockout station services and agents, but not docking rights. Again, we militia folk cannot control who our 'allies' are, and there are too many chances for griefing by alt-corps. That is the huge difference between us and 0.0, and the difference in docking rights is justified.

2. LP for plexing: I don't think the current SiSi setup is right. It just encourages mostly unskilled alts in unfit Atrons or Condors to go to backwater systems and run buttons. It doesn't encourage actual furtherance of the war effort. FW would be flooded with even more useless plexing alts. Instead, I think both attackers AND defenders should get LP, but ONLY when the system is contested. That will create real conflict systems and 'fronts' where battles will take place. It should be possible, as this is similar to how faction rep is awarded to defenders. People can still earn LP from missions and killing.

3. On the system upgrades, I think PI should benefit in some way for POCO owners and/or PI operators. And as mentioned numerous times before, cyno jammers should be allowed. If they aren't, any sovereignty claims are purely illusory and subject to the whim of 0.0 supercap power blocks. (and again, spitballing here, but how about jump bridges? May be a bad idea...)

4. As fond as I am of the idea of a reset - I don't think it should happen. This would penalize everyone, but especially smaller corps and individuals who have ships spread everywhere. And I think X Gall suggestion about dialing the time to cap back from 5x to 3 or 4x current might be needed.

Regardless, I am glad for the tweaks, and glad that Hans and CCP are on the issue. Even if you dont agree with everything (and I don't) at least be happy they are trying.

Just my opinion.