Missions & Complexes

Nerf 'em. Nerf 'em all to hell! 10% income nerf is just fine. Give more LP if anything.
Target missions next Soundwave!

I would like to see objectives that "has" to be done in the sites, or the Sanshas would get an additional support team to enter through a wormhole or something.

Say like the hacking in that vanguard site, just that **** is gonna hit the fan if you ignore it for too long.

But to stay on topic, give people more incentives to do the larger sites.

Comments? I'm speechless.

This is in line with last year "our userbase doesnt really know what they want, they'll talk with their wallets".

A part from obvious trolls or people who simply dont understand the the situation i havent seen a single person saying the changes you made were good in any way.

Before people start to whine "incursions need to be nerfed! they're an isk faucet!!" i want to make clear that i agree, in fact even people who run them agree(at least the reasonable ones).

The problem here is HOW you nerfed them, not the nerf per se.

The feedback is already on these forums, written by people more knowledgeable than me and more interested in the problem.
I'll not spend half an hour trying to write a serious post analyzing the problem and its solutions and doing the job you're paid to do.
Risking, in the end, that the post is simply ignored.

I'm posting here just to express my discontent on how you're approaching this situation.
The problem is the same of last year: you need to actually LISTEN to the feedback and be more clear in your communication (i'm referring to the hidden assaults nerf).

I stress it again: listen to the feedback, do tests that simulate the average game experience.

The only thing I can think of that needs a change,other than your proposed reversals, is the layout of the Nation Consolidation Network. Right now the fleet composition to clear them is different to the heavy long range sniper setups needed in the other two.

This has lead to some areas being nothing but NCN sites with fleets unable to run them due to their setup being tailored to the other sites.

Difficulty isn't an issue personally, I for one welcome more challenging group PvE content to EVE.

Yeah I'm not too worried about difficulty. Right now my main concerns are the length of assault sites and the payouts.

I just spoke to Affinity. While the trigger on a single NPC was a fairly awful mechanic, I'm not sure the current solution is as great long term as adding some sort of other objectives.

Most of the complaining has been "I can't make enough isk!" and "It doesn't work the same way as before!" without any real criticism beyond the fact that *gasp* something changed.

Soundwave, you probably know I couldn't run Incursions if I wanted to. However I've talked to a few of the more level-headed people in the incursion community. The feeling I get from them is that they find the new sites tedious to run. They don't complain about the longer times spent in the sites or the payouts nearly as much as I expected; their big issue has been that the sites are now monotonous and unexciting.

You're concerned Assaults are just the new VG's and going too quickly?



Just don't put in 0.0 tower bashing/FW Bunker shoots I beg you.

I'd be bold as to suggest things such as hacking towers, or blowing up complexes (small structures, possibly each with a wave attributed to them)


Alternatively what about defending something from Nation, such as a ship or structure (with the option, or even the necessity to have to repair it) and have the complex run on a timer? That way you've controlled the length of the site. The logistics will be dealing with the repair while the fleet engages hostiles attempting to blow up said critical objective. After x amount of time either help arrives (structure) or the ship you defended gets it's systems working again and warps off.


Edit: Riapsed also put in an escort objective style mission above, I like the idea of new ways to approach PvE. "SHOOT ALL THE THINGS" is a very stale mechanic.. that said this goes beyond just Incursions into a bigger gripe of all PvE for me.

I think that the "kill the whole wave" was enough without the 10% nerf, so reverting that back sounds reasonable to me (and if it's still not enough, there's always the next patch to tweak it down 10% if needed; small changes are almost always better than giant ones IMO, especially in a game that's as dynamic and reactive as Eve is.

One thing I would suggest looking into, however, is Scout sites. I ran 2-3 a bit ago just for fun. I ran them easily in a Navy Slicer solo, but salvaging just one wreck gave me 3x the ISK that completing the site did. I would love to see them brought up to be more or less on par with lvl 4 missions, both in terms of difficulty and reward.

I think that doing that would make them decent content for lower level players in BCs and such. Making most of the spawns frigs or cruisers would probably help with that because it would make blitzing them solo in a BS less feasible and running a group of BCs with low/med skilled players much more feasible.

Yes, they would still be soloable by someone in a T3 or something, but it's impossible to make sites that younger players can run without making them soloable by older players. I think that making them comprised of lots of smaller ships that have to be locked up individually would make it more annoying for older players to solo them and cause them to just run blitz lvl 4s instead.

I to would like to see an Incursion site that is geared more for the new player that can't get into the other ones because they can't can't fly a pimped out battleship.

Maybe a site that pays half of what a VG pays and has a ship limit of battle cruisers and below. I haven't run a Scout beacon site yet but I did do a few of the Scout belt ratting sites with another player last week to see what it was about and it was a joke. 50K ISK for that vs 8M ISK or so for a VG. I'd rather spin ships then do that. Are the Scout beacon sites any better?

Regarding the recent changes, I just hear mixed complaining. No real reasons. Last night I was hearing the OTA's just took too long to complete. I will say the last few nights the Incursion community has shrunk a great deal.

I'm not sure noob incursion sites should be paid around the same as level 4 missions. level 4 missions mostly require battleships as well. But they should not pay the same as level 3's as those pay out **** as well.

very difficult to get the pay right as one person may be perfectly happy with the pay on one pve experience but then someone else, with the same ship and skills will hate that same payout