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New dev blog: Observing the "Burn Jita" Player Event

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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#121 - 2012-05-02 16:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zendoren
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:
You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.

If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??

Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.


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MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#122 - 2012-05-02 16:28:50 UTC
Sure the whole thing was a pain in the arse for many people, but I can't help but be impressed by the player logistical work, and the ability of CCP to deal with the sudden server load and then explain to us with graphs (<3) just how they did it.

Show me another game (yes, game - how mad can you really get over a game?) where something like this could happen with no dev input

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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#123 - 2012-05-02 16:34:32 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Explorer
Vincent Athena wrote:
What happens now? What was the fix?

I could see:

Inform all clients of the correct time GCC time when someone jumps into system;
Make the 15 minute timer not subject to TiDi;
Something else...?

What was the fix?
The issue was the following: When player A acquired GCC then Jita was informed and everyone cached the timer. Then player A left Jita, served the GCC on another node not under TiDi and came back to Jita. The Jita server cleared the GCC but the clients in Jita still had the old timer cached; therefore player A was blinking red as legitimate target but if someone actually shot then the server would activate CONCORD.

The fix was to not rely on cached timers from the last time but rather have player A's client inform the solarsystem on arrival about the GCC having run out on a different node (that was not under TiDi) and have everyone clear their local cache.

Edit: See CCP Masterplan's reply here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1231364#post1231364

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-05-02 16:42:34 UTC
great blog, really fun read, well done CCP and kodos to Goons for this, awesome work ^^
Gothikia
Wicked Cartel
#125 - 2012-05-02 16:43:08 UTC
These stats were wonderful and I'm so glad I was there to monitor events and livestream them along with LancerSix, Haffrage and Oortog. We had a hell of a blast commentating, getting drunk, looting, salvaging and trying to smartbomb a AAA fleet of munnin's in a geddon at the end of the festivities.

Thanks to Mittens for making this a memorable one in EVE.

<3 Gothie
Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#126 - 2012-05-02 16:43:44 UTC
Graph pron. Excellent dev blog!
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#127 - 2012-05-02 16:45:27 UTC
Bagehi wrote:
Graph pron. Excellent dev blog!
Thank you, gladed you liked it! Big smile

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Zastrow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-05-02 16:47:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Zastrow
This dev blog owns. Burn jita was fun as hell and (almost)everything worked!

Also i was quoted woot
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#129 - 2012-05-02 16:48:05 UTC
Could we get a little info on the one-sided Wardec bug that was observed on Sunday night?

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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#130 - 2012-05-02 16:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Explorer
Zastrow wrote:
This dev blog owns. Burn jita was fun as hell and (almost)everything worked!

Also i was quoted woot
Nice to hear that you liked it (and that stuff worked).

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2012-05-02 16:53:16 UTC
Excellent blog!

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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#132 - 2012-05-02 16:54:45 UTC
A big thank you to CCP for making this possible and all the players who attended this event. This is why we love Eve. Big smileBig smile
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#133 - 2012-05-02 16:57:16 UTC
Alexandra Delarge wrote:
A big thank you to CCP for making this possible and all the players who attended this event. This is why we love Eve. Big smileBig smile
Thank you, deeply appreciated! Big smile

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2012-05-02 17:04:47 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
What happens now? What was the fix?

I could see:

Inform all clients of the correct time GCC time when someone jumps into system;
Make the 15 minute timer not subject to TiDi;
Something else...?

What was the fix?
The issue was the following: When player A acquired GCC then Jita was informed and everyone cached the timer. Then player A left Jita, served the GCC on another node not under TiDi and came back to Jita. The Jita server cleared the GCC but the clients in Jita still had the old timer cached; therefore player A was blinking red as legitimate target but if someone actually shot then the server would activate CONCORD.

The fix was to not rely on cached timers from the last time but rather have player A's client inform the solarsystem on arrival about the GCC having run out on a different node (that was not under TiDi) and have everyone clear their local cache.

Edit: See CCP Masterplan's reply here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1231364#post1231364



We unintentionally made this far worse when we discovered GCC's were impacted by TIDI. It became common practice early on to tell people to wait out their GCC outside Jita as the timer ran at 100% normal in Perim/Sobi. So quite often they would come back into Jita and someone would try to pod them or gank.

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CCP Masterplan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#135 - 2012-05-02 17:05:41 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Masterplan wrote:
.......... Description of the crimewatch bug.............


What happens now? What was the fix?

I could see:

Inform all clients of the correct time GCC time when someone jumps into system;
Make the 15 minute timer not subject to TiDi;
Something else...?

What was the fix?

You pretty much got it with your first idea. A critical part of the bug was if someone entered a system with no GCC timer, then nothing happened (a pretty reasonable thing to do, but ultimately wrong if they previously had a GCC timer that some clients think might still exists due to dilation).

Now if someone enters with no GCC, but had the incoming node has memory of them having a GCC recently, then an explicit "This person has no aggression, so he is innocent" update is sent to clients. This ensures they aren't operating under a false assumption.

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Igitur Agnus
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#136 - 2012-05-02 17:06:28 UTC
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:
You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.

If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??

Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.


The guys that created EVE used to be griefers in Ultima Online...so what side and play style did you expect them to favor? Pirate

Also I think that they're giving the goons due credit in planning and executing this, even if it "crippled" the economy of EVE for a day or two.

Mostly though I think CCP is just really happy about their hardware and software coming through after some serious problem solving and hard work.
Swearte Widfarend
Ever Vigilant Fountain Defenders
#137 - 2012-05-02 17:35:07 UTC
CCP Veritas wrote:
The refactoring of Crimewatch should help the spikes come down a fair bit as well, so I suspect that a similar event done in, say, a year from now should have a very different performance characteristic.


Not putting words in your mouth Veritas, but that sounds like an invitation Twisted

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#138 - 2012-05-02 17:36:57 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Jarin Arenos wrote:
corestwo wrote:
It's very much a back in the day thing but quite awhile ago the Serpentis declared war on the then-dominant Band of Brothers. The Serpentis armada was wiped out and just happened to drop plenty of juicy X-Type and officer loot for the victorious BoB. As you might imagine, there were plenty of accusations of favoritism.

Seems like it'd be easy to avoid this sort of pitfall in future events. Though I guess it'd be difficult to avoid bringing up distasteful old reminders for longer-term players.

Edit: Still, just the simple response of the Caldari faction setting GSF/CFC as a semi-permanent -10 (as opposed to relying on the relatively broken sec status mechanic) would be an interesting development, even if they aren't tossing easily-smashed fleets into nullsec.


There's an even worse example that more directly falls in line with what you're suggesting, the Dev fleet that broke up the M0o Gatecamp back in 2003.

Linkey!


Having NPCs start aggressively attacking a subset of EvE is a bad idea. That's what Players are for.

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Granix Uvelian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2012-05-02 17:39:43 UTC
I was flying out of Jita when the node (Thursday night for me in NA PST timezone) was lagged down to 16% TiDi!!

It worked like a charm, and felt like I was in a miniature episode of The Matrix. Everything moving slow mo. I must admit that I'm not a big fan of null-sec, but have wanted to see TiDi in effect because I think it's an important addition to the game. Thank you Goons for making this happen. I may not always like some of the things you guys do, but I appreciate the interaction between Null-sec and hi-sec.

Props to CCP for a job well done this last weekend!

~ Granix
Amy Garzan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2012-05-02 17:47:05 UTC
One of the best blogs ever!