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New dev blog: Observing the "Burn Jita" Player Event

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Rick McMann
Dark Nova Industries Unlimited
#221 - 2012-05-11 19:39:39 UTC
Welcome to Eve Online!
"Where you can do anything you want, and then GoonSwarm can blow it up"
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#222 - 2012-05-11 20:09:11 UTC
Rick McMann wrote:
Welcome to Eve Online!
"Where you can do anything you want, and then GoonSwarm can blow it up"


You can blow Goonswarm up too....

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Rick McMann
Dark Nova Industries Unlimited
#223 - 2012-05-11 20:15:59 UTC
Uhhh, yeah. Sure you can.
Seeing how their home is deep null sec, good luck putting any dent in their economy.
However, for those who live in High sec, it's more like being as exposed as a nerve.

Yup, that's not one sided at all.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#224 - 2012-05-12 04:42:07 UTC
Rick McMann wrote:
Uhhh, yeah. Sure you can.
Seeing how their home is deep null sec, good luck putting any dent in their economy.
However, for those who live in High sec, it's more like being as exposed as a nerve.

Yup, that's not one sided at all.


Sounds like you're making a choice to live where you let yourself be exposed. They made a choice to put in the effort to gain and keep Sov, and in exchange they get to keep their core somewhat better insulated from casual attack.

Emphasis on the word Casual. Hisec is vulnerable to casual attack, but invulnerable to really intense siege(i.e. getting all your stuff locked away in someone else's station). Nullsec is less vulnerable to casual attack (see: AFK Cloaking), but vulnerable to intense siege (see: the siege of 6VDT, the burning of Branch, etc).

So you're right, it isn't one sided; each has advantages and disadvantages.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
#225 - 2012-05-12 10:31:16 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
So, next year, I expect to only get a 30 day ban for running a slide show at fan fest urging people to drive someone to suicide and then realizing I might be charged and arrested, make up a excuse about being drunk.

Next fanfest CCP are probably going to do a much more thorough job of vetting the alliance presentations in advance, so no.

Quote:
Because how would we report it if they were? Let's say I had a GM on tape talking about how he helps, say, BoB? I'd prefer to take it to CCP rather than have to anonymously send it to a gaming news site to keep my account. I'm sure CCP would prefer that too.

With GM assistance, we will rise again.
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#226 - 2012-05-12 10:36:32 UTC
Rick McMann wrote:
Uhhh, yeah. Sure you can.
Seeing how their home is deep null sec, good luck putting any dent in their economy.
However, for those who live in High sec, it's more like being as exposed as a nerve.

Yup, that's not one sided at all.

"Dear CCP,

I am too weak and lazy to compete with large powerful alliances and putting in any effort myself to alter this state of affairs is beyond me. Please fix this glaring imbalance.

ps: abloobloobloobloo."

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
#227 - 2012-05-14 08:14:31 UTC
This must be like the 9th time someone declared war on a high sec system just for the sake of farming newbs. Remember Yulai and Zombies players getting banned for disrespecting GM authority even though they weren't breaking any game mechanics or rules?

The scale of this is novel because it shows you how big of a subscriber base EVE has and how many people you actually need to disrupt a hub even slightly these days - but how the **** this made it to Kotaku front page news is beyond me. It's the laziest player driven 'event' you could think of and almost every other MMO has something similar. The most recent I can think of is Sith players farming Jedi in TOR.

This sells EVE short, because there are a lot of cooler things deserving of media attention. The average person I talk to might've heard of EVE but has no idea why anyone should or would play it over your average MMO.
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Blackwater International
#228 - 2012-05-16 12:16:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ilnaurk Sithdogron
I most definitely like the fact that EVE allows for this sort of thing to happen. I don't know of any other games in its genre where you can do anything near Burn Jita.

I don't agree with the Goons and hate them with a passion, but the simple fact that this was possible was quite amazing. Although I wish the developers hadn't taken such a Goon-glorifying stance. And yes, I know it's the game servers/mechanics that they're actually happy about, but the article reads like it was pandering to the Goons.

Random Comment: An EVE Dev liked my post. Wowzahs.

http://eve-sojourn.blogspot.com/

Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2012-05-16 23:47:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Hammer Crendraven
CCP Veritas wrote:
malaire wrote:
What about a case where person coming back to system still has some GCC time left, but less than what is cached in other clients?

That case was already properly handled by sending out an updated time to everyone. It was only the case where the time had been burned off completely that wasn't being handled properly.



It would seem then to make the GCC timer run on eve time universal to all of eve even those in a node under time dilation effect.
Then the GCC timer would be the same no matter where they went to wait it out.
More programming required but it would fix that issue totally.
It would probably eat up more clock cycles and cause more lag on a packed node but with time dilation in effect so what?
And your current fix to upload new timer info to all the clients involved is probably more lag inducing anyway as that info has to go around the (real world with extra packets) as opposed to an in house GCC timer fix.
If you need to just slow down time more to compensate for lag. It seems like concord needs to be slowed down as well.
I imagine you guys at CCP have a list of things to tweak after this event.

All in all I am impressed that you went to this extent to handle a lag issue. A novel approach that for the most part worked.

After thinking about this time effect more I think there are several other time effects not yet discovered. If you had a universal eve timer function seperate from the TiDi time then these other issues as they come up could be added to the eve timer function already implemented to fix them as well.

Otherwise you begin a long path of seperate workarounds that in the future could become a huge headache when you want to add something new to the game. And have to account for all of the workarounds. I strongly suspect that the GCC is not the only time issue.
Porthomnius
Angry Badgers
#230 - 2012-05-22 09:46:57 UTC
I would have to say this is pretty cool. Lag has been a huge issue with EVE the last few years and the fact that these guys just came in, did what they did and the server didn't totally crap out is pretty cool.

In-line with the other convo going on here, let goons be goons and carebears be carebears. I mean yeah, I'm currently a PvE guy with intentions to go low sec here soon, but when I get ganked I may be ticked but I can't let it get to me.

I would have to say though, this quote made my day. XD

"There’s just something special about building 15,000 spaceships and loading their guns with 1 round of ammo to shoot. And doing it right in front of the police."
WInter Borne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#231 - 2012-05-31 19:13:49 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Two step wrote:
it is great to see CCP's pride in the terrible things their players do to each other... :)

Seriously? and you are a CSM player's representative?

I think you underestimate just how many players enjoy this.

Also, Two Step represents wormhole dwellers. Doing terrible things to each other is our specialty.
WInter Borne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#232 - 2012-05-31 19:19:09 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
There is a reason why EVE can not and will not grow, because CCP caters only to egomaniacs like the Mittani and effectivly endorses actions that drive players away. Usually the newest and most inexperienced players are made the victims and driven out of the game.

A few years back I would have happily recommended EVE to anyone but now I am not so sure. To be really honest I would not recommend EVE to anyone except extremely cold blooded accountants and maybe to people with narcisstic/ egomanic / or plain sociopathic tendencies.


A brief look at the past few years will prove you wrong...EVE has been steadily growing.
WInter Borne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#233 - 2012-05-31 19:24:03 UTC
Oliver Stoned wrote:
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Another idea that interests me.

How about a TSA system at gates and stations in empire.

TSA for jita? I dont know whether to laugh at the sheer stupidity or cry at the horrible, horrible nightmares this engenders.
Gordane
#234 - 2012-07-21 21:00:33 UTC
omg i am so happy i am nr 8 on the burn jita event and it was a moment to be remembered for ever hahahah pro burn