Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'll hold off on supporting this until more discussion, but it seems reasonable.

CCP has hinted that they are looking at ways to reward players that have had long term commitments to playing Eve Online, so I'm waiting to hear back about that.

As for your suggestion, I have to say I'm partial to it only because I have a six year character and would enjoy an extra 6 to speed up the process. However, since I took a year off out of that six, I should be only awarded five additional attribute points. This means that it should be based on number of months of spent with an active subscription, so number of months / 12 and trim the remainder.

I'm just on the fence because of CCP's stated plans to reward players that have been around for awhile. Even if their rewards were not a match to yours, though, I think I'd have to disagree with your suggestion. We'd see a resurgence of new bitterness towards vets who already have an advantage because they simply got into the game earlier than any newb after them. To widen that gap could cause a lot of gripe.

I do like where you are going, but I do not know if I should be rewarded simply because of the time I have been playing the game. The fact is that I volunteered my money and time. Incentives to keep going are nice, but would I keep going without them? Probably.

I'd be more interested in cross-race modules with high SP requirements or new cross-race ships with high SP requirements. I would feel more accomplished with that.

No. Older characters do not need to be rewarded further just because they're old — it goes against pretty much all the design principles of the skill system. This idea just creates a completely unnecessary separation between what new and old characters can do, and that's a pretty bad thing.

EVE doesn't need a level system.

Something else to consider, i've loved this game since day one too, in my case though, it was since day one when i found out it ever existed.

…and that's just more the reason not to add even more of those benefits — especially not to hard-code them into the game, rather than make them a part of the gameplay dynamics.

That's something completely different — in fact, it's almost the exact opposite of what's being discussed here. Not punishing older players means they treat those older players exactly the same as the new ones; this idea is based on treating older players differently.

How on earth is it relative?!

You're asking for equal treatment; the OP is asking for unequal, preferential treatment. They're about as different as things can be.

Yes. So why should anything resembling that — especially in the guise of something much more unfair — be brought back?

I've asked for alot of unreasonable things before....
Sad fact I did train all of those skills to 5 and did those first, I now live with those concequences, and I am only one to blame for mistakes I've made myself out and having skill disorganized that Im probably the worst mission runner you'll ever meet despite having all the skills required these days for it.

Its just that I see the +1 attribute being less unfair so far any other slew of options I have seen.

The advantage this system would provide is that a highly focused player can still match a veteran whom got the extra points. This however does run into the nice problem of the veteran being 'too old' and having way more points than a fresh person could allocate to match on any training path.

Which is why I would like to see a cap installed maybe space out the attribute +1 issuing, like your first +1 for 1 year, your second +1 two years later after the previous issue and +3 ect...

Maybe make the point pernament as well and unremappable. Possibly random issued with higher chances landing in the lowest attribute.

If Eve where to survive another 10 years we would have maxed skill point capped players which can be a forseeable issue.

This would also help reduce implant costs as well if we put a cap on it but not in the forseeable future atm.

Overall the list so far of how to reward a veteran is not all that great.

Bad Ideas
Free SP - automatic no go from me and probably alot of people on the simple grounds that it may just widen the gap too much.
Free Isk - why make a risk to destabilize the market?
Free Item - Which is likely to be given away at christmas further devalues it.
Free Remap - This is borderline bad idea with buying remaps with a plex because veterans who know what is up with thier skill plan would overflex the system to get to thier perfect character quicker.
Some obscure magical combat/market/interface advantage that a rookie has zero access to, this includes specality items in stores like the NeX.

Decent Ideas
Attribute +1 a year
A discount up to a cap on thier long standing account (and not characters)

Good Ideas
A medal - no harm in giving a free medal other than some bitter vets going 'really?' I paid for game 10 years and dis is what I get?
Discount Cupons at the eve store.
Higher chance of Beta Access to future eve products (if anymore of them and interested)

Im sure there are more just I havent gotten around to reading them all.

Why make an unfair option to begin with?

…and this idea makes that happen even sooner. The solution to the problem you're describing is to add more stuff and more skills to train, not to make the ones everyone have easier to train.


As for good and bad ideas, how about what you mentioned earlier: not penalising age, but rather make things equal so all that time and effort put in pays off?

That is a tougher subject because what one person values as 'pays off' varies from persons to persons. Also McCain's Law (did I get the right person Im sure it was mccain) is in serious supply here.

One thing I would like to not see happen too much is bitter rookies.

Ill have to deliberate and think about this a bit brew it over some more Ill be back with hopefully something fresh to the table.

The best options so far would be a discount on subscription that would do much more to retain veterans than alot of ingame means though, also its a realtively cheap way to buy loyalty outside of developing the game for them as well they're already paying and they're going to be paying for the long run overall you'll make back the lost money because of a nearly gauranteed subscription from a marketing standpoint.

You mean Malcanis' law… and this idea will only make rookies bitter because it introduces something that cannot be gained or compensated for except by age, unlike pretty much everything else in the game.