Wormholes

Darth just seems like a frickin ******. After having lived in wormholes for years, I can tell you this.

1. Wormholes are by no means overflowing with isk.

2. Whatever isk you make is shared with your fleet members.

3. You are going to die in a wormhole. Its not a matter of IF, or WHEN, but how often. Plan your finances accordingly.

I left wormholes over a year ago to run HS incursions with BOJ fleets, absolution fleet, and started making over 200 mil an hour. In wormholes I would make 150m an hour. (Which was judging by the time it took to farm all sites in a wormhole and selling it then splitting it up between your corp mates.)

SO the obvious answer was incursions. I knew ccp would nerf it as it threw inflation into the fire, but I didnt care. I took advantage of the system before it was handled. Everyone else did the same.

Now that incursions are going away. I plan to go back to wormholes, and make more isk and have more fun doing it than you ever will.

But if you ask nicely, I might share some of my blue loot with you :)

Lets not forget that that 150 million per hour is actually only for about 4-5 hours a week at best in your home system. Anything on top of that generally requires seeking out sites in other Wormholes with increasing Risk as you go farther out, or through manufacturing and mining gases

So to recap, that amounts to 150 * 8 players * average 4.5 hours per week = 5.4 billion ISK per week max out of a C6 on average. That's with max. Cap Escalations btw, using at least a Carrier and 2 Dreads to draw the Escalations. Just to be clear, Dreads are useless for anything but spawning the Cap wave and gtfo after, and Carriers are only useful for that and running logistics while trying to stay alive themselves. That's not as easy as it sounds btw

Also, multiple players generally don't sell Blue loot in my experience; it typically boils down to one guy escorted out by 3-5 selling all the loot from 2-3 weeks that isn't to be used in manufacturing. Same guy also usually uses the same ship to transport all the manufactured products out for sale once every 2-3 weeks and restock on Fuel Blocks and various other things needed to maintain POS or build another Dread or whatever

If that second run seems a bit much to you, then I guess you haven't considered the multiple hours of running reactions and clamping down the wormhole required to actually produce all that while you've dropped nearly all your POS defenses. Basically, you're running reactions all week for 6-8 hours a day most times just to produce what's required to build the reverse engineered sleeper toys. Often, there are days when the damn reactor is almost 24/7 if you've got the materials to feed it, because you can't build a damn thing without it

When was the last time you had to do that for Incursions? The funny thing is that most of what gets earned off that whole process just goes back into the POS or maintaining the hole as you watch the Corp Wallet jump to 2-3 billion and shortly after, drop back down to 350-400 million. More payouts there btw; somebody has to mine all that gas. Too bad the same can't generally be said for minerals which quite often have to be imported for lack of Grav sites

So, in the end you're back to a max. of 5.4 billion ISK split between 8-20 or more people per week in a wormhole. That sort of means that you trade places every other week so someone has a chance to earn ISK because any more than 8-10 people running a site is just silly. Not because it makes it easier, but rather because it's much more likely that someone will lose their ship as you increase in numbers beyond 6-8.

Also, theres no spinny little ships here. You either fly something that can handle the site or you stay home because you will lose it and nobody can be bothered to try and keep you alive which is relatively futile anyway. That means you go without Reps because you will melt in a heartbeat every other second. It's also unlikely that you will be helping much.


I'm going to have to try an Incursion one of these days, just to see what thats like.

Incursions hasn't been nerfed enough.

High Sec Incursions needs to either be removed altogether or lose CONCORD protection.

Wormhole space on the other hand is considered the one part of EVE CCP largely got right and is well balanced with Risk, Effort, and Reward. ..and of course Incursion morons want to nerf it.

Oh look, another Darth thread and his inflation whines.

Yup. I'm REALLY starting to think that Darth is just trolling now. All these people taking the time to explain Wormhole processes and he just ignores them.

Writing this thread off as a troll

Yup. It's the equivalent of bounties on any NPC ships. And CCP put NPC buy orders up for them for that reason.



WH's don't print ISK like incursions. You HAVE to loot the wrecks to make any ISK. The loot from from Sleeper wrecks has to be manufactured after reverse engineer other components. And that takes a lot of work.

Sure, you can sell the loot on the market, but the only thing that's worth while selling is the nano-ribbons. And the reason they are worth so much is because they are rare drops and the vital common-component to building all the various T3 modules.

You could argue that Incursions aren't getting nerfed - they're getting balanced. Don't forget Assault sites are getting buffed and Vangards nerfed to bring it in balance. Assaults = harder, so it should have a better payout than Vanguards.

What about the Drone regions? They're getting there poo removed and bounties placed..... instant ISK! Where's before they had to harvest and transport the sleeper wrecks. The new method is easier, right?

I'm still convinced Darth is just trolling tho.

In incursions you dont have Arazu bumping you from aligne, and blob of ships 30s later on you and loss of 1.5 bilion.

Oh my days. The reason WH's aren't getting nerfed is because they are already well balanced. Probably the most balanced area of the game. And the reason CCP have left it alone for a while is because it doesn't need messing with. Please give WH space a go, Darth, and you will see what everyone here is talking about. Unless you know what WH space is like how can you even begin to comment. Does the volume of replies disagreeing with what your saying not tell you something?

this is a stupid idea, get lost